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ISI



Aug 12, 06 - 4:38 AM
WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH.. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPEGENDA AGAINST PAKISTAN ....WE WILL NOT LET YOU..
free balouchi



Aug 12th, 2006 - 10:59 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

ha ha ha hakk
AMMER ZADA



Aug 17th, 2006 - 1:37 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

PLZ DON' T USE THE NAME OF OUR PATRIOTIC ORGANIZATION ie ISI
AMMER ZADA



Aug 17th, 2006 - 1:42 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

ISI IS A SYMBOL OF OUR PRIDE & BUNCH OF HARD WORKING PATRIOTIC PEOPLE WORKING DAY & NIGHT FOR YOUR SAFETY & SECURITY, BELIEVE ME.
AMEER ZADA



Aug 17th, 2006 - 1:47 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

PLZ DON' T BLAME ISI IT IS A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION CONSISTING OF GOD FEARING PEOPLE WHO WORK RELENTLESSLY SO THAT YOU SLEEP SOUNDLY.
sher khan



Aug 18th, 2006 - 8:42 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

....whatever
AMEER ZADA



Aug 18th, 2006 - 9:14 PM
Re: WELL SHER PLZ SPEAK SOMETHING

MY DEAR SHER KHAN "WHATEVER" IS NO ANSWER TO WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN. PLZ STOP USING THE NAME OF ISI; IT IS A MATURE SERVICE WHICH WILL NEVER INDULGE ITSELF IN WRITING SUCH COMMENTS ON BALOCHI WEBSITE. ACTUALLY THESE ARE IMMATURE PEOLPLE LIKE YOU MIGHT BE USING ITS NAME; PLZ STOP DOING THIS.
SHER KHAN! THESE BALOCHI PEOPLE HAVE REALLY BEEN OPRESSED FOR SIX DECADES NOW, WE MUST ADMIT THIS BOLDLY & THEY NEED MITIGATION NOT THREATENING. YOU SEE IF THERE ARE SOME RIOTS IN PARTS OF PAKISTAN OTHER THAN PUNJAB, ARMY IS SENT THERE TO KILL THOSE PEOPLE BUT IF PUNJAB RISES, ARMY REFUSE TO FIRE AT PUNJABIS AS IT DID SO IN 1977 AND THE GOVERNMENT CHANGES.
DEAR KHAN YOU SEE PAKISTAN IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE THE FINANCE AWARD IS DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE PROVINCES ON THE MERE BASIS OF POPULATION NOT CONSIDERING THE AREA, POVERTY RATE & RESOURCES CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS THE NATIONAL ECONMY BY THE PROVINCES.
KHAN PLZ DON' T ACT LIKE A JAZBATI PAKHTOON & THINK THAT WE MUST NOW CHANGE OUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS SMALLER ETHNIC GROUPS & PUNJAB SHOULD STOP ACTING IN HEGEMONIC MANNER. PAKISTAN IS FOR ALL & NOT ONLY FOR PUNJABIS.
KHAN YOU JUST GIVE IT A TRY TO DEMAND THE DUE RIGHTS OF PASHTOONS & SURELY YOU WILL BE CRUSHED BY THE PUNJABIS, THIS IS TRUE. FOR EXAMPLE PUNJAB STOPS ITS WHEAT TO OTHER PROVINCES WHENEVER IT FEELS LIKE; CAN YOU STOP GOING YOUR PRODUCTION LIKE ELECTRICITY, TOBACCO, WOOD, MARBLE ETEC TO THEM? PLZ ANSWRE ME. CAN YOU PLY A VEHICLE, BEARING PASHTOON AREA NUMBER, FREELY IN PUNJAB? THE ANSWER IS SURELY NO. PLZ THINK OVER THSES POINTS & THEN START THINKING IF THE BALOOCHIS ARE RIGHT OR WRONG? I LEAVE TO YOU.
sher khan



Aug 19th, 2006 - 12:40 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

Ok so right on Baloch’s had been oppressed true but question is who is more responsible? Just blaming federal government or Punjab is such hypocrisy. So called nationalist baloch leaders are as much responsible as much federal government.
Federal Governments around the world distribute funds according to population divide the perfect example GERMANY state of Bavaria is the most recourses rich state in 16 states of GERMANY but state of nordrhein westfalen get more federal funds because it’s most populated state in Germany. Eastern states of Sachsen and Sachsen-Anhalt get a lot less funding even thou both got high poverty and unemployment rate. So your argument is totally false be truthful and don’t push blindfolded hatred…..
YES PAKISTAN is for ALL not just FOR PUNJABI’S I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT…
Its tit for tat when they stop wheat we stop electricity and it’s not secret it just happened last year I think. So it’s not true that WE CAN STOP ELECTRICITY…
You are wrong about Vehicle bearing Pakhtoon area number traveling freely in Punjab. As matter of fact I went with my uncle to city of Gujarat in Punjab our Toyota Hilux ALTIS got MARDAN number plate but no one attacked our car neither Police or anyone search us or our Car we stayed 2 days in that place but nothing happened to us or our Car. My family has really good business links in Punjab so far we have not been discriminated or cheated by them.
I think you should look at the world without the optical of ethnicity and look at human being as individually. Action of few people doesn’t speck for the whole nation it is true for all ethnic back grounds be it Punjabi, Baloch, Pasktoon or Sindhi…..
Ameer



Aug 19th, 2006 - 10:51 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

MY DEAR KHAN
PLZ SPEAK LIKE A LEARNED PERSON WHICH YOU SEEM TO BE. CAN PASHTOONS DARE TO STOP ELECTRICITY, TOBACCO, MARBLE, WOOD, OIL AND GAS SUPPLY TO PUNJAB; DEAR NEVER. YOU MUST BE A RICH PASHTOON TURNING BLIND EYES TO THE PLIGHT OF PASHTOONS. KHAN YOU KNOW WHERE THE PUMP HOUSE OF SHAKARDARA OIL/GAS FIELD IS LOCATED? MYU DEAR IN PUNJAB ACROSS RIVER INDUS, WHERE PLZ FIND OUT & REPLY ME; I AM WAITING AS I KNOW ITS EXACT LOCATION. WHEN YOU CROSS ATTOCK BRIDGE, DON' T THE PUNJAB POLICE ACT LIKE A CONQUERER WITH PASHTOONS? CAN YOU DENY THAT? DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN A PASHTOON TRUCK CARRYING FEW BAGS OF ATTA IN TRUCK, WAS FIRED UPON BY PUNJAB POLICE & DROWNED IN INDUS, PLZ SEE NEWSPAPER & MEET THE FAMILY OF THE ILL FATED CREW OF THAT TRUCK IN PESHAWAR. MY DEAR ALL THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS HAD ORIGINATED & FLOURISHED IN PUNJAB LIKE SIPAH E SUHABA, SIPAH E MUHAMMAD, HARKAT UL ANSAR, JAISH E MUHAMMAD, LASHKAR E TOYABA ETC BUT THROUGH THEIR CONTROLL ON PRINT & ELECTRONIC MEDIA PUNJABIS HAVE PORTRAYED PASHTOON AS EXTREMISTS/TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY & SUCCESSFULLY DEPICTED PUNJABIS AS MODERATE MUSLIMS. SEE ALL THE SUICIDE BOMBERS, MAY IT BE 7/11, NOW PLANES TERROR PLOTS, SUICIDE ATTACK ON GENERAL MUSHARAF, AMERICAN CONSULATE IN KARACHI & MANY OTHRES, ALL PUNJABIS WERE INVOLVED BUT DO THEIR PRINT & ELECTRONIC MEDIA CALL THEM EXTREMISTS? PLZ KHAN THINK OVER IT. KHAN YOU THINK THAT ELECTRIFICATION OF 10 VILLAGES IN PUNJAB & BALOCHISTAN WILL COST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, NO DEAR THE VILLAGES OF BALOCHISTAN ARE SCATERRED AT LONGER DISTANCES IN PUNJAB; HENCE YOUR ARGUMENT OF FINACE WARD IS TOTALLY WRONG WITH JUST ONE EXAMPLE. BELIEVE YOU ME I AM NOT AGAIST THE STATE OF PAKISTAN. WHAT WE WANT IS TO BE TREATED EQUALLY TO A PUNJABI & THAT IS ALL. KHAN FOR NFC AWARD PLZ READ THE INDIAN DISTRIBUTION OF MONEY AMONG THE PROVINCES & YOU WILL ASHAMED OF PAKISTAN NFC AWARD, MY DEAR 62% IS ALLOCATED FOR POVERTY LEVEL, PLZ STOP GIVING EXAMPLE OF DEVELOPED GERMANY WHERIN YOU HAVE STATED WRONG FACTS MY DEAR.
sher khan



Aug 20th, 2006 - 12:41 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE NOT ONLY BIAS BUT ALSO FULL WITH ETHNIC HATRED. First of all you should get your self out of this ridiculous ethnic box thinking. Regarding the terrorist organization it’s no secret that what some of misguided Pashtoons are doing in North & South Waziristan. A Terrorist is a Terrorist regardless of his ethnic background. I am sick & tired of hearing this blame the Punjab’s crap……WHY CAN’T YOU BE MAN ENOUGH TO FIX YOUR OWN PROBLEMS??? Since the formation of this country everyone is just looking to load of the blame of own weakness to someone else WAKE UP instead of pulling each other’s hairs think beyond your ethnic line. If Malaysian’s woulda been thinking along the ethnic lines they would be still a 3rd world country like us. Cooler heads prevail in that nation and it’s writing on the wall where they standing today. No one in that country talks about which community contributed how much they just talk about being a proud Malaysian.
I HATE THIS INDIA CENTRIC APPROCH India send 700000 military personal to crush movement in Kashmir burned Kashmir villages to ground rape thousands of innocent women. SHOULD WE START DOING THAT IN BALOCHISTAN ALSO? GET A LIFE and Learn something called standing up on your own feet.
SURE you should be getting equal treatment as a Punjabi BUT Killing innocent Paktoon and Punjabi day laborers won’t take you anywhere.
If we go by your logic Punjabi would still end up getting far more money then any other province because of large population per capita poverty in Punjab would be 10times higher then any other province.
Ok balochistan is not getting its fair share from federal government BUT STILL THEY GET FUNDS DON’T THEY? SO WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING? WHERE IS PROVINICAL TAX MONEY COLLECTED BY PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT OF BALOCHISTAN? Surely the people sitting in provincial assembly of balochistan are not Punjabi’s or are they?
I gave you German example coz you said Pakistan is the only country in the world which distribute funds according to population. Its for you to snap out of hatred and bring legitimate arguments.
AMEER



Aug 20th, 2006 - 3:38 AM
Re: WELL SHER PLZ SPEAK SOMETHING about these facts

MY DEAR SHER KHAN (IF UR?)
WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATRIOTIC VIEWS BUT YOU DID NOT ANSWER ME ABOUT THE ATROCITIES METED OUT TO OTHER NATIONS IN THE FEDERATION OF PAKISTAN BY PUNJABIS. LET ME PUT YOU FEW QUESTIONS & PLZ ANSWER ME LIKE A LEARNED MAN:-
1. HAS PAKISTANI ARMY EVER FIRED AT PUNJABIS SINCE 1947? INSPITE OF THE FACTS THAT HEADQUARTERS OF ALL TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS ARE LOCATED IN PUNJAB.
2. ARE THERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN THE TWIN CITY OF PINDI/ISLAMABAD OR IN THE WHOLE PROVINCE OF NWFP OR FOR THAT MATTER IN BALOCHISTAN (48% OF PAKISTAN TERRITORY)?
3. CAN YOU JUSTIFY THE CIGARRET FACTORIES IN PUNJAB WHILE IT DOES NOT PRODUCE EVEN ONE KILO TOBACCO? AND IT COMES FOR PASHTOON AREAS.
4. SIMILARLY CAN YOU JUSTIFY MARBLE FACTORIES & WOODEN FACTORIES IN PUNJAB WHEN THEIR RAW MATERIALS COME FROM PASHTOON AREAS?
5. WHY CAN' T THESE FACTORIES BE ESTABLISHED IN PASHTOON AREAS SO THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE PROVIDED WITH EMPLOYMENT?
6. IS THERE MORE ELECTRICITY LOAD SHEDING IN PASHTOON AREAS OR IN PUNJAB? WHILE WE ARE THE PRODUCERS. CAN YOU SEE ANY JUSTIFICATION OF WAPDA HOUSE IN LAHORE? AND WHY NOT IN NWFP?
7. WHY PAKISTAN ARMY CONSISTS 80% OF PUNJABI & MORE THAN 95% OF ITS OFFICERS FROM PUNJAB? DO YOU THINK ALL OTHER NATIONS IN PAKISTAN ARE NOT MARSHAL RACE? I AM SAYING THIS BECAUSE THE CENTRE OF POWER IN PAKISTAN IS ITS ARMED FORCES & NOT ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS MAY IT BE PARLIAMENT OR JUDICIARY.
8. DON'T YOU FEEL ENTERING SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHEN SEARCHED BY PUNJAB POLICE AT ATTOCK & SO MANY OTHER PLACES? IF NOT THAN ITS STRANGE THAT FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR BUSINESS IN PUNJAB OR YOUR SERVICE IN SOME SECRET AGENCY OF PAKISTAN; YOU ARE NOT BOTHERTED ABOUT THE DIGNITY OR DISGRACE OF YOUR OWN APSHTOON NATION, WAH, WAH................?
9. HOW DID YOU ESCAPE THESE PUNJABI POLICE POSTS WHILE GOING TO GUJRAT & COMING BACK? BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU ARE COMING BACK FROM PINDI; YOU ARE STOPPED & TOTURED BY PUNJABI POLICE AT RIWAT, TAXILA & ATTOCK ACOORDING TO MY PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN TORTURED AT THESE PLACES; THIS MEANS TWO THINGS, NO ONE YOU ARE SERVING IN SOME SECURITY SET UP OR YOU ARE A SMUGGLER BECAUSE THESE SMUGGLERS ARE THE MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME OF PUNJABI POLICE & VERY WELL KNOWN TO THEM.
10. IF EVEN PUNJAB DOES NOT DO ANYTHING, IT WILL GET 60% OF THE PAKISTAN RESOURCES AS COMPRED TO 5% OF BALOCHISTAN, DO AGREE WITH THIS USURPATION? 10 VILLAGES IN BALOCHISTAN COVER AT LEAST 200 KILOMETER WHILE IN PUNJAB THESE HARDLY COVER 50 KM; WILL BALOCHISTAN BE ABLE TO ELECRIFY THESE VILLAGES WITH MERELY 5% OF NFC AWARD? SAME IS TRUE FOR THE HEALTH UNITS, SCHOOLS & OTHER SERVICES.
11. CAN YOU PLZ TELL ME THE NUMBER OF GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS IN LAHORE ALONE & THAT IN NWFP/BALOCHISTAN AS A WHOLE?
12. CAN PUNJAB SUSTAIN WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH ITS AGRO-ECONMY? WHILE WE BALOCH & PASHTOON ARE DEPRIVED OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.
13. WILL YOU PLZ TELL ME THE LOCATION OF PUMP HOUSE OF SHAKARDARA OIL/GAS FIELD? WHICH IS LOCATED ACROSS THE INDUS IN PUNJAB. I HAVE REPEATED MY THIS QUESTION TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DID NOT REPLY ME PREVIOUSLY RATHER YOU HAVE TRIED TO TEACH US THE LESSON OF BROTHERHOOD ON THE COST OF OUR RESOURCES.
MY DEAR KHAN (KA TA DA RISHTIO KHAN YE NO HALA) THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINS WHICH WILL BE PUT FORWARD TO YOU FOR ANSWERING LATER ON BUT I HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO ANSWER MY THESE QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE THIS TIME & YOU WON' T AVOID THESE.
THANK YOU DEAR NEXT TIME I SHALL SPEAK TO YOU IN DEATAIL ABOUT NFC AWARD BECAUSE ON THE ANNEXATION OF GERMANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WERE DIVERTED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF EAST GERMANY & IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE TILL THE TIME IT COMES UP AT EQUAL DEVELOPED LEVEL WITH WEST GERMANY; CAN PUNJAB DO THIS WITH OTHER PROVINCES, PLZ REPLY THIS AS WELL.
AMEER



Aug 20th, 2006 - 5:26 AM
Re: DEAR KHAN I FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT...................

DEAR KHAN ( IF U R REALLY KHAN)
KHAN YOU HATE INDIA & I TOO HATE HER FOR HER ATROCITIES ON KASHMIRI OR GUJRATI MUSLIMS. HOW CAN A MUSLIM LIKE A PERSON OR COUNTRY KILLING MUSLIMS BUT THERE ARE FEW FACTS ABOUT KASHMIR & USE OF PUNJABI ARMY AGAINST PASHTOONS & BALOCH.
1. INDIA HAS NEVER USED AIR FORCE JETS, GUNSHIP HELICOPTERS & ARTILLERY AGAINST KASHMIRIS SINCE 1989 THAT IS THE TIME ISURGENCY BEGAN THERE BUT PUNJABI MILITARY ACTIONS AGAINST PASHTOONS & BALOCHIS ALWAYS START WITH AIR FORCE JETS BOMBARDMENT FOLLOWED BY GUNSHIPS ROCKETING & ARTILLERY SHELLING KILLING ALL INMATES OF THE AREAS INVOLVED. TO SEE THESE FACTS PLZ TRAVEL TO THOSE AREAS WHERE PUNJABI ARMY HAS TAKEN ACTION AGAINST PASHTOONS & BALOCHIS & PLZ MEET THE EFFECTEES OF THESE ACTIONS THERE. AFTER GOING TO THOSE AREAS, I AM SURE YOU WILL GRADE THE INDIAN ARMY BETTER THAN PUNJABI ARMY, PLZ DO VISIT THE AFFECTED AREAS & MEET THE VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS OF PUNJABI BOMBARDMENT, ROCKETING & SHELLING. YOU WILL START WEAPING AFTER MEETING THESE EFFECTEES.
2. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF INDIAN AIR FORCE BOMBING RELIGIOUS GATHERING OR JIRGAS IN INDIAN HELD KASHMIR, MY DEAR PUNJABI AIR FORCE HAS DONE IT WITH PASHTOONS & BALOOCHIS. YOUR BELOVED ARMY HAS ALWAYS KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE RECENT PAST INCLUDING ELDERS, WOMEN & CHILDREN. DO YOU JUSTIFY THE ACTION OF PUNJABI ARMY TO DESTROY THE WHOLE VILLAGE FOR JUST ONE HOSTILE FIRE? IF YOU ARE REALLY PASHTOON, PLZ DO VISIT THE AFFECTED PASHTOON AREAS AT LEAST & YOUR EYES WILL OPEN. YOU WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT BROTHERHOOD WITH PUNJABIS BUT IF YOU ARE REALLY A PASHTOON.
3. DEAR YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE BITS & PIECES OF HUMAN BEINGS KILLED BY PUNJABI JETS, GUNSHIPS & ARTILLERY THATS WHY YOU ARE TEACHING US THE LESSON OF BROTHERHOOD. IF YOU VISIT THESE AFFECTED AREAS, YOUR MIND WILL CHANGE, IF YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING AT LEAST & EVEN NOT A PASHTOON.
4. WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR OWN BROTHER OR BLOOD RELATIVE TO BE KILLED & THIER BODIES SCATERRED IN BITS & PIECES? WOULD YOU THEN TEACH OTHERS THE LESSON OF BROTHERHOOD WITH PUNJABIS, IF SO THEN YOU ARE NOT HUMAN BEING.
5. PLZ STOP TALKING SUPER NATURAL THINGS & ANSWER MY THESE QUESTION LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING & TELL ME WHY THE MURIDKAY MARKAZ OF LASHKARE TAYABA (NOW JAMAT EL DAAWA) IS NOT BEING BOMBED? IT IS THE MOST DEADLY TERRORIST ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD BUT IT IS A PUNJABI ORGANIZATION.
6. MY DEAR KHAN NOW YOU STOP TALKING OF INDIAN ATROCITIES METED OUT TO THE PEOPLE OF KASHMIR BECAUSE THEY HAVE YET TO USE JETS, GUNSHIPS & ARTILLERY AGAINST KASHMIRIS BUT PUNJABIS ARE USING THEM AGAIST PASHTOONS & BALOCHIS. OK WE LEAVE BALOCHIS BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMANDING FREEDOM BUT WE PASHTOONS WANT TO LIVE IN THE SAME COUNTRY WE DON' T DEMAND ANY SUCH THING; WHAT WE WANT IS TO LIVE ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC BELIEFS & EVEN THEN THESE PUNJABIS ARE KILLING US IN BRUTAL MANNERS THAT THE HISTORY HAS NEVER SEEN THEM. CAN YOU JUSTIFY THESE ACTIONS OF PUNJABI ARMY & PUNJABI AIR FORCE? CAN YOU COMPARE THESE WITH INDIAN ACTIONS IN KASHMIR & PUT WHICH ARMY IS BETTER?
7. i hope you will not turn a blind eye to THES ATROCITIES OF PUNJABIS & ANSWER ME LIKE A LEARNED PERSON.
Usman



Aug 20th, 2006 - 1:08 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

1. HAS PAKISTANI ARMY EVER FIRED AT PUNJABIS SINCE 1947? INSPITE OF THE FACTS THAT

HEADQUARTERS OF ALL TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS ARE LOCATED IN PUNJAB.



YES,sadly it has..



1953 - Anti Ahmadi Riots, Lahore

http://www.sdpi.org/help/articles_in_press/March_2004_news.htm



AND HERE IS ANOTHER MAJOR ONGOING OPERATION Currently INVOLVING 20,000 Soldiers and

1,718,000 Peasant farmers



2002 to PRESENT - Peasant Suppression, Okara

http://hrw.org/reports/2004/pakistan0704/4.htm

I can wtite a 20 page essay outlining Army's brutality towards farmers in Okara which is in PUNJAB!!

Here is what Human Rights Watch is saying:



Pakistan’s military and paramilitary forces are brutalizing their own people in the Punjab instead of protecting them. It’s a dangerous moment in Pakistan when the military turns on its own core constituency.


Brad Adams, executive director of Human Rights Watch’s Asia Division.



2. ARE THERE MORE UNIVERSITIES IN THE TWIN CITY OF PINDI/ISLAMABAD OR IN THE WHOLE PROVINCE OF NWFP OR FOR THAT MATTER IN BALOCHISTAN (48% OF PAKISTAN TERRITORY)?



1.) Rawalpindi/Islamababad is the Capital of Pakistan, IF you see across the world you will always see the capital city having many more amenities such as Healthcare,Education and better infrastructure. This is done to put the nation in a positive light and to reate a good impression on visitors. This is not unique to Pakistan this is a phenomenen Worldwide



2.) To bring up Land area while speaking of Universities is silly because Antarctica is 15 times larger than all of Pakistan yet has no university, when speaking of facilities that cater to people, geography does not matter, population, population density, accesibility are the prime concerns



3. CAN YOU JUSTIFY THE CIGARRET FACTORIES IN PUNJAB WHILE IT DOES NOT PRODUCE EVEN ONE KILO TOBACCO? AND IT COMES FOR PASHTOON AREAS.



This is something to be proud of ? that Punjab produces cigarettes ? In the entire world; govt. is attempting to stop cigarette production yet in our nation we are jealous of other provinces having tobacco factories, Secondly there are other factors required in the production and distribution of cigarettes, what about the chemicals and other inputs needed to produce the cigarettes? What about the money (capital) needed for the manufacture of Cigarettes? And above all where is the bigger market for Cigarettes? is it Punjab or is it NWFP ?

Some Illiterate, racist, and stupid people blame Pashtuns for the Gun Violence and heroin problem in Pakistan, however they are wrong to do so simply because the availibility of Guns and Heroin is steady from the NWFP they would not succed if there was not a market for Guns and Heroin in the rest of pakistan, It is he problems of the people who are consuming the drugs and buying the guns. Supply never dictates
demand.

Usman



Aug 20th, 2006 - 1:20 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

4. SIMILARLY CAN YOU JUSTIFY MARBLE FACTORIES & WOODEN FACTORIES IN PUNJAB WHEN THEIR RAW MATERIALS COME FROM PASHTOON AREAS?

PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCE


I spent close to 2 hours researching on the web for Marble/stone processors in pakistan here are the links:



http://pakavenue.com/db/Business_and_Industry/Gems_and_Minerals/

http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=Marble+works+Pakistan&meta=
http://www.stoneexpozone.com/p47.php3?XSID=8155db33b4904772d2cf0350d7532154&ssinglepai=none&scountry=062600&recfound=18&npages=1&showrec=7&smode=2&curpage=0&cast=



And here are the results of this search:



Badar Marble Works -Sindh Karachi

Waheed Marble - Sindh Karachi

Abdul Rasheed Marble Works - Sindh, Karachi

Stone World Enterprises - Sindh, Karachi

Ahmed Traders - Sindh, Karachi

Pakistan Marble & Products - Punjab, Wah Cantt

Al- Faisal Marble Factory - Capital Territory, Islamabad

Eastern Stone - Sindh, Karachi

Hamson Corporation - Sindh, Karachi

HANAM CORPORATION / HANAM MARBLE IND - Sindh, Karachi

Avon Marbles - NWFP, Abbotabad

ARC International- NWFP, Peshawer

Starline Enterprises - Sindh, Karachi

Al Azeem Enterprises - Sindh, Karachi

AFRA Traders - Sindh, Karachi

G.R.Traders - Punjab, Rawalpindi

Naeem Sons - Sindh, Karachi

Habibullah Sons - Sindh, Karachi

Gandaf Marble Slabs and Tiles - NWFP, Mardan

DYNAMIC INTERNATIONAL - Sindh, Karachi

Carrera Internatinal LLC - Punjab, Lahore

Bela Marble - Sindh, Karachi

marhaba marble onyx industries - Sindh, Karachi

Rocks & Slabs - Punjab, Lahore

The Marble Point - Sindh, Karachi

BOBBY EXIMP INTERNATIONAL - Sindh, Karachi

OYSTER IMPEX - Sindh, Karachi

QADRI INTERNATIONAL - Sindh, Karachi

Alpha Stone Professionals - Sindh, Karachi

Pakexpo - Sindh, Karachi



HERE IS THE BREAKDOWN



13% - Punjab

10% - NWFP

3% - Federal capital Territory

74% - Sindh



Tell me know, Is Punjab really exploiting the stone resource of the NWFP ? please keep in mind that the majority of Pakistan's Stone and quary is for export so it only makes sense that the raw materials be processed at the point of export to minimize costs and to maximize profits, to take advantage of ecomies of scale and consolidation of Human capital and Finacial capital, it is only common sense that dictates it be processed in Karachi.



5. WHY CAN' T THESE FACTORIES BE ESTABLISHED IN PASHTOON AREAS SO THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE PROVIDED WITH EMPLOYMENT?



PAKISTAN TO SETUP MARBLE CITY IN NWFP Here is the link indicating that Pakistan is setting up a marble city in NWFP as well


http://www.pakobserver.net/200608/11/news/nwfp01.asp

PAKISTAN TO SETUP MARBLE CITY IN Balochistan Here is the link indicating that Pakistan is setting up a marble city in Balochistan as well


http://www.fdimagazine.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/839/EPZs_take_Pakistan_to_new_heights.html

Usman



Aug 20th, 2006 - 1:28 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

7. WHY PAKISTAN ARMY CONSISTS 80% OF PUNJABI & MORE THAN 95% OF ITS OFFICERS FROM PUNJAB? DO YOU THINK ALL OTHER NATIONS IN PAKISTAN ARE NOT MARSHAL RACE? I AM SAYING THIS BECAUSE THE CENTRE OF POWER IN PAKISTAN IS ITS ARMED FORCES & NOT ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS MAY IT BE PARLIAMENT OR JUDICIARY.



ENGLISH - General Sir Frank Messervy (August 15, 1947 - February 10, 1948)
ENGLISH - Sir Douglas David Gracey (February 11, 1948 - January 16, 1951)
PASHTUN - Field Marshal Ayub Khan (January 16, 1951 - October 26, 1958)
PASHTUN - General Musa Khan (October 27, 1958 - June 17, 1966)
PASHTUN - Yahya Khan (June 18, 1966 – December 20, 1971)
PASHTUN - Gul Hassan (December 20, 1971 - March 3, 1972)
PASHTUN - Tikka Khan (March 3, 1972 – March 1, 1976)
PUNJABI - Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (April 1, 1976 - August 17, 1988)
MUHAJIR - Mirza Aslam Beg (August 17, 1988 - August 16, 1991)
PUNJABI - General Asif Nawaz (August 16, 1991 - January 8, 1993)
PUNJABI - General Wahid Kakar (January 8, 1993 - December 1, 1996)
PUNJABI - Jehangir Karamat (December 1, 1996 - October 6, 1998)
MUHAJIR - General Pervez Musharraf (October 7, 1998 - Present)

There have Been 5 Pashtun Chiefs of Army There have been 4 Punjabi Chiefs of Army 2 Muhajir Chiefs of Army and 2 English Chiefs of Army.

Punjab,Rawalpindi - College of Electrical and Mechanical Engineering
Punjab,Rawalpindi - Army Medical College
NWFP,Risalpur - College of Flying Training
Balochistan, Quetta - Command and Staff College
NWFP,Risalpur - Military College of Engineering
Punjab,Rawalpindi - Military College of Signals
NWFP,Risalpur - Pakistan Air Force Academy
NWFP, Kakul - Pakistan Military Academy
Sindh Karachi - Pakistan Navy Engineering College

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army

There are 9 Military Academies in Pakistan out of which only 3 are in Punjab, 4 are in NWFP, 1 is in
Balochistan and 1 in Sindh.


SOURCE: http://www.rwor.org/a/v23/1120-29/1122/pakistan.htm

In a country riven by ethnic and sectarian divisions, the military, dominated by the majority
Punjabi and influential Pashtun communities, saw itself as the only truly national institution.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3227709.stm


Recruitment is nationwide and the army attempts to maintain an ethnic balance but most enlisted recruits, as in British times, come from a few districts in northern Punjab Province and the adjacent North West Frontier Province. Pakistan's Officer Corps are also mostly from Punjab and the North West Frontier Province and of middle-class, rural backgrounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army


There are 20 million Pashtuns in Pakistan and 20 percent of Pakistan's army are Pashtun.
20 million Pashtuns translates into 13 % of the population YET THEY MAKE UP 20 % OF THE ARMY.

http://www.rwor.org/a/v23/1120-29/1122/pakistan.htm
Usman



Aug 20th, 2006 - 1:43 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

8. DON'T YOU FEEL ENTERING SOME OTHER COUNTRY WHEN SEARCHED BY PUNJAB POLICE AT ATTOCK & SO MANY OTHER PLACES? IF NOT THAN ITS STRANGE THAT FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR BUSINESS IN PUNJAB OR YOUR SERVICE IN SOME SECRET AGENCY OF PAKISTAN; YOU ARE NOT BOTHERTED ABOUT THE DIGNITY OR DISGRACE OF YOUR OWN APSHTOON NATION, WAH, WAH................?



Could you pls . provide proof of this ? I searched the internet and all I found is this one incident:

http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/03/nat50.htm



Secondly that is a very bad thing you are saying about Sher Khan, you should apologize to him for saying this



9. HOW DID YOU ESCAPE THESE PUNJABI POLICE POSTS WHILE GOING TO GUJRAT & COMING BACK? BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU ARE COMING BACK FROM PINDI; YOU ARE STOPPED & TOTURED BY PUNJABI POLICE AT RIWAT, TAXILA & ATTOCK ACOORDING TO MY PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. IF YOU HAVE NOT
BEEN TORTURED AT THESE PLACES; THIS MEANS TWO THINGS, NO ONE YOU ARE SERVING IN SOME SECURITY SET UP OR YOU ARE A SMUGGLER BECAUSE THESE SMUGGLERS ARE THE MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME OF PUNJABI POLICE & VERY WELL KNOWN TO THEM.



I keep telling you this has to do with corruption at every level, if what you say is true about checkpoints, that is a big IF! Then you just validated my argument by stating that it is the corrupt elite of ALL ETHNICITIES which is keeping all of us down, Smugglers from NWFP, Crooked Police from Punjab!! What we should be working on my brother is stopping Smugglers and by arresting corrupt Police regardless of which province they belong to? would you not agree ?



Again, that is a very bad thing you are saying about Sher Khan, you should apologize to him for saying this



10. IF EVEN PUNJAB DOES NOT DO ANYTHING, IT WILL GET 60% OF THE PAKISTAN RESOURCES AS COMPRED TO 5% OF BALOCHISTAN, DO AGREE WITH THIS USURPATION? 10 VILLAGES IN BALOCHISTAN COVER AT LEAST 200 KILOMETER WHILE IN PUNJAB THESE HARDLY COVER 50 KM; WILL BALOCHISTAN BE ABLE TO ELECRIFY THESE VILLAGES WITH MERELY 5% OF NFC AWARD? SAME IS TRUE FOR THE HEALTH UNITS, SCHOOLS & OTHER SERVICES.



No argument with you there I agree with you 100 % the NFC formula needs to be reworked along the lines of which province contributes the most towards the fiscal pool, Energy Creation/ and population. Population should play a role however from an economic standpoint it will only encourage inefficency, The entire NFC award needs to be looked
at again, I agree with you!



11. CAN YOU PLZ TELL ME THE NUMBER OF GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS IN LAHORE ALONE & THAT IN NWFP/BALOCHISTAN AS A WHOLE?



Please provide Proof Give us Numbers, give us names, etc. Please dont provide information without providing facts.



12. CAN PUNJAB SUSTAIN WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH ITS AGRO-ECONMY? WHILE WE BALOCH & PASHTOON ARE DEPRIVED OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.



This is a very immature comment and it is obvious that unfortunately you have very little knowledge of Micro and Macro Economics, Finance and Public Policy. Central planning has proven to be a failure across the World, The only way all of us can attempt to create a better standard of living is through entrepreneurship, and value added economic activity at every level. by simply relying on selling natural resources at inflated prices you will be hurting all Pakistanis by driving up costs, lowering efficiency, and this will ultimately lead you to beuncompetitive. The best example of this is the Auto Industry in Pakistan, and telecommunications before this field was dergulated. In order to compete on a global scale we should add value to our Natural resources, and let the Market and the businessman decide how and wher to add the Value, Not Some bureaucrat in ISLAMABAD, this has failed in countries where they have honest
people. In Pakistan this will Fail miserably becuase of corruption as was demonstrated by Zulfikar Bhutto's nationalization policies. Being dependent on Primary resources will lead the economy to be vulnerable to commodity fluctuations the best thing to do is to add value, and the only way to add value is to free up the resource to market forces.

Usman



Aug 20th, 2006 - 1:46 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

13. WILL YOU PLZ TELL ME THE LOCATION OF PUMP HOUSE OF SHAKARDARA OIL/GAS FIELD? WHICH IS LOCATED ACROSS THE INDUS IN PUNJAB. I HAVE REPEATED MY THIS QUESTION TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DID NOT REPLY ME PREVIOUSLY RATHER YOU HAVE TRIED TO TEACH US THE LESSON OF BROTHERHOOD ON THE COST OF OUR RESOURCES.



Good Point! however to an untrained geologist or mining expert this might seem as an Usarpation of rights however to a geologist this might have to do with a natural phenomenan kown as an oil seep which makes drilling and mining easier as it naturally comes out of the ground at that point, there are many explanations available please see..



http://www.oilshow.org/pakhis.htm



for more information on the SHAKARDARA OIL Field and Seepage is located on the bottom of the page.



If there is anyone who is an expert in the field of geology and hydro-carbon mining please explain the logistics on harvesting hydrocarbon resources in the Shakardara Oil field ?

Usman



Aug 20th, 2006 - 5:23 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

AMEER

You make some very serious claims, If you want to be taken seriously I suggest you start by naming your sources, I have used Neutral and impartial sources everytime I could have used Pakistani Propoganda Websites BUT I did not. I SPOKE THE TRUTH, AND I BACKED IT UP WITH FACTS, NOT WILD ACCUSATIONS If you want to have a meaningful debate please do the same. Cite your sources and dont say things without any proof.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

AMEER



Aug 20th, 2006 - 8:41 PM
Re: I ALSO SAY PAKISTAN ZINDABAD BUT.........................

DEAR USMAN
WELL WEATHER I AGREE WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS OR NOT BUT YET IT IS A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION AS WE BOTH DID NOT USE ANY BAD LANGUAGE FOR EACH OTHER UNLIKE OTHER WRITERS OF THIS WEBSITE. IF WE DISCUSS OUR PROBLEMS LIKE THIS ON ALL FORA; OUR PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED & IT WILL MAKE IT A POINT TO PONDER FOR THE HIGH UPS IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS & PUNJAB.
1. MY DEAR YOU ARE JUST NOT A TRAVELLER TO SEE ALL THESE PROBLEMS. JUST SITTING ON THE NET & BROWSING IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE GIVING THE RIGHT ARGUMENT. IF YOU SIT IN THE MASSES, THEY DO TALK LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE FGACING THESE PROBLEMS PRACTICALLY.
No.1 IS THAT WE MUST STOP USING LETHAL WEAPONS LIKE AIR FORCE JETS/GUNSHIPS/ARTILLERY AGAINST OUR OWN PEOPLE THIS CREATES HATRED AND SECONDLY IF SOMEONE IS A BAD GUY; HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED & NOT HIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY. YOU SEE IF MY SON BECOMES A TERRORIST, WHAT CAN I DO? WHAT TO TALK OF MY WHOLE TRIBE, WE MUST ACT LIKE CIVILZED PEOPLE IN DEALING WITH CRIMINALS NOW.
2. IT IS GOOD THAT YOU HAVE AGREED TO THE POINT OF PUMP HOUSE OF SHAKARDARA OIL/GAS FIELD, THIS MEANS YOU KNOW ITS LOCATION IN PUNJAB BUT BELIEVE ME THE SEEPAGE PROBLEM IS MORE AT THIS LOCATION THAN SHAKARDARA BECAUSE OF SHAKARDARA HIGHEST ELEVATION THAN ITS PRESENT POSITION. IT WAS SHIFTED THERE TO PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY TO THE PEOPLE OF PUNJAB.
3. YES MY DEAR IT IS TRUE THAT PASHTOONS ARE OVERREPRESENTED IN ARMY THAN THEIR POPULATION & THAT IS THE REASON THERE IS NO SEPARATION MOVEMENT HERE AGAINST PAKISTAN. WHAT I MEANT TO SAY THAT PUNJAB SHOULD HAVE ITS REPRESENTATION AS PER ITS POPULATION IN ARMY AS WELL AS ITS OFFICER CORPS 7 GIVE SINDH/BALOCHISTAN ITS DUE SHARE IN IT. YOU SEE IN THE CORPS COMMANDER CONFERENCE, THE MOST POWERFUL FORUM IN PAKISTAN, IF THERE ARE SINDHI/BALOCHI/PASHTOON REPRESENTATION, THEN THESE ANTI PAKISTAN SENTIMENTS WILL END IN THIS COUNTRY.
3. AS FAR THE UNIVERSITIES ARE CONCERNED, PLZ GIVE NWFP/BALOCHISTAN THEIR DUE SHARE & THINK OF A BRILLIANT BOY OF PASNI NOT STUDYING HIGHER BECAUSE HE CAN' T AFFORD TO GO TO HOSTEL IN QUETTA. SIMILARLY A BRILLIANT BOY OF FATA, DIR, SWAT etc SUFFER. GIVE US UNIVERSITIES, EMPLOYMENT & PUNJAB WILL SEE THAT ALL THESE PROBLEMS WILL END.
4. THIS THE RIGHT TIME WE FINISH ALL THESE PUNJAB POLICE CHECK POSTS ON GT ROAD BECAUSE YOU HAND OVER UR CAR DOCUMENTS TO THE ILLITERATE COP; SINCE HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THESE SO HE WILL KEEP YOU BUSY FOR BELIEVE ME ONE HOUR BUT IF YOU PUT A CURRENCY NOTE IN THE DOCUMENTS; HE WIIL TAKE THAT & LET YOU GO. PLZ GIVE IT A TRY FOR YOURSELF. SECONDLY ALL VEHICLES BEARING NWFP NUMBERS ARE NOT STOLEN ONES AS THE WHOLE PUNJAB POLICE THINK; WE TAKE AS THE MENTALITY OF PUNJABIS TOWARDS ATHER NATION IN PAKISTAN.
5. IF YOU INSTALL THE MARBLE/CIGAREETS INDUSTRIES IN NWFP, MY DEAR THERE WILL BE TWO BENFITS, ONE OUR PEOPLE WILL HAVE EMPLOYMENT, SECONDLY THE TRANSPORTATION COST OF THESE MANUFACTURED ITEMS TO THE REQUIRED PLACES WILL BE MUCH MUCH LESSER THAN TRANSPORTING THE RAW MATERIALS TO THE PLACES OF THIER PRESENT FACTORIES EVEN IF THEY ARE EXPORTED. THIS MEANS YOU DON' T KNOW ANY THING ABOUT ECONOMY WHAT TO TALK OF MICRO/MACRO OR DAY TODAY ECONMY; YOU ARE JUST AN INTERNET BROWSER.
6. ALL THE WOODS FACTORIES BE INSTALLED IN PLACES WHERE FROM WOOD IS GOING TO SIALKOT ON THE SAME PRINCIPLE OF ECONMY; YOU REMAINED SILENT ON THIS POINT.
7. THE OKARA OPERATION CAN' T BE COMPARED TO ARMY/AIR FORCE OPERATION IN PASHTOON AREAS. HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN THAT OPERATION CARRIED OUT BY POLICE & RANGERS? WERE TGE BODIES OF DEAD WERE FOUND IN BITS & PIECES? DID JETS BOMB THEM THEM? DID GUNSHIPS USE THEIR ROCKETS ON THEM? DID ARTILLERY SHELL THEM? IF THE ANSWERS ARE NO THEN BY NO DEFINITION IN THE WORLD IT WAS A MILITARY OPERATION. WAS ANY OF THE VILLAGE IN OKARA RAZED TO GROUND?// THE ANSWER IS NO. SO PLZ AS ALEARNED PERSON YOU MUST ADMIT BOLDLY THAT YOU DON' T KNOW WHAT IS MILITARY OPERATION. GO TO BALOCHISTANS'/PASHTOONS' AFFECTED AREAS, THEN GO TO OKARA & LET ME KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. MY DEAR NO MILITARY ACTION WILL BE UNDERTAKEN IN PUNJAB. THE MILITARY WILL CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT BUT IT WILL NEVER FIRE AT PUNJABIS. LOOK DID YOUR AIR FOCE BOMB CHICHA WATNI IN PINDI AFTER SUICIDE ATTACK ON THE PRESIDENT? CAN' T YOU SEE PEOPLE STILL COLLECTING MONEY IN THE NAME OF JAMMAT E DAWA IN PUNJAB? IS THEIR MARKAZ IN MURIDKAY NOT FUNCTIONING? IS IT NOT HAVING EQUIPMENT COMPARABLE TO THE ARMY? CAN YOU BOMB THEIR MARKAZ? IS NOT MIAN SALAH UD DIN OF HIZB UL MUJAHIDEEN ROAMING WITH HIS ARMED GUARDS IN A VEHICLE WITH BLACK WINDOWS IN PUNJAB? CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE SUICIDE BOMBER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY WHO WAS PASHTOON? BY THE WAY THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE PUNJABIS WEATHER INSIDE PAKISTAN OR ABROAD. WHY YOU PEOPLE REMAIN SILENT ON THESE FACTS? SPEAK OUT FOR THE SAKE OF NATIONAL SOLIDARITY.
7. YOU REMAINED SILENT ON LOAD SHEDING PROBLEM, LOCATION OF WAPDA HOUSE, PLZ GIVE YOUR ARGUMENTS.
8. PLZ SPEAK UP ON THE SECTARIAN VOILENCE IN PUNJAB AS YOU ARE E
AMEER



Aug 20th, 2006 - 9:33 PM
Re: I ALSO SAY PAKISTAN ZINDABAD BUT.........................

DEAR USMAN
I SAY PAKISTAN ZINDA BAD LOUDER TAHN YOU, REPEATEDLY...................... BUT IT IS ME & YOU TO GET UNITED, DISCUSS OUR PROBLEMS, GRIEVANCES IN A CIVLIZED MANNER TO COMPELL THE FEDERAL GOVT & PUNJAB TO GIVE THIER DUE SHARES TO THE OTHER PROVINCES AS WELL. YOUR ARMY/AIR FORCE KILLED MANY INNOCENT PASHTOONS BUT WE STILL SAY,"PAKISTAN ZINDA BAD" BECAUSE WE HOPE THAT PUNJAB WILL AT LEAST SPEAK UP FOR US & STOP THESE KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE INCLUDING ELDERS, CHILDREN & WOMEN. PUNJAB SHOULD PLZ STOP BOMBING INNOCENT PASHTOONS; WE DON' T MIND COMING HARD ON CRIMINALS. SO WHAT WE CONCLUDE THAT:-
1. YOU PLZ COME TO PESHAWAR FROM PINDI & SEE THE BEHAVIOUR OF PUNJAB POLICE ON GT ROAD. THEN GO BACK TO PINDI & AT LEAST AT ATTOCK IF YOU DON' T FEEL ENTERING SOME HOSTILE COUNTRY; I SHALL THEN TAKE MY WORDS BACK & APOLOGIZE TO YOU IN PERSON NOT EVEN ON THE NET. BROWSING WILL NOT SHOW THIS PROBLEM.
2. GIVE US PROVINCIAL AUTONOMY & LET THE CUNCURRENT LEGSILATION LIST GO OFF NOW LIKE A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. PROVINCIAL AUTONOMY TO THE PROVINCES WAS TO BE GIVEN IN 1985 ALONG WITH THE CONCURRENT LIST TO GO OFF AS PER THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION OF 1973; BUT WE STILL AWAIT THEIR IMPLEMENTATION IN 2006. PUNJAB SHOULD GIVE US OUR THESE TWO RIGHTS.
3. RESOURCE A PROVINCE CONTRIBUTING TOWARDS NATIONAL ECONOMY+ POVERTY LEVEL IN A PARTICULAR PROVINCE+ AREA OF THAT PROVINCE+ POPULATION OF THAT PROVINCE DIVIDED BY FOUR= THE PERCENTAGE OF ITS SHARE IN NFC OF THAT PROVINCE. YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE IN IT, PLZ DO THAT.
4. SENTE SHOULD BE GIVEN FINANCIAL POWERS THAT IS EVEN THE BUDGET SHOULD COME TO IT FOR APPROVAL.
5. NO MILITARY ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN IN ANY PART OF THE COUNTRY WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF PARLIAMENT INCLUDING ITS APPROVAL BY SENATE. THIS SHOULD INCLUDE EVEN THE TYPE & NUMBER OF TROOPS & WEAPONS TO BE USED.
6. WE SHOULD HAVE STRONG INSTITUTIONS LIKE FREE JUDICIARY, ELECTION COMMISSION, INDEPENDANT PARLIAMENT, EQUAL UNIVERSITIES, ALL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES UNDER THE CIVILIAN GOVERNMENT FIRM CONTROL & ARMY CONFINED TO ITS JOB OF DEFENDING THE COUNTRY; WILL YOU PUNJABIS AGREE WITH ALL THESE?
7. ALL THE THREE SERVIUCES CHIEFS BE PUT UNDER THE POSITIVE CONTROL OF DEFENCE MINISTER & THEY SHOULD SALUTE HIM. ALL THE ARMS DEALS SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN PARLIAMENT. NO AGRICULTURE LAND SHOULD BE ALLOTED TO A GENERAL UNLESS HE DEFEATS THE ENEMY, MERELY SERVING FOR THIRTY YEARS SHOULD NOT MAKE A GENERAL ENTITLED FOR A LUXURIOUS HOUSE, MANY PLOTS IN DEFENCE, AGRICULTURE LANDS BUT IF A GENERAL DEFEATS THE ENEMY IN BATTLEFIELD; HE SHOULD BE GIVEN ALL THESE- DO YOU, AS A PUNJABI, AGREE WITH IT?
8. NO AIRCRAFT/VEHICLE USAGE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GENARALS & THEIR FAMILIES FOR PERSONAL USE. IS IT CORRECT & SUIT PUNJABIS? THE MONEY THUS SAVED SHOULD BE SPNT TO PURCHASE NEW EQUIPMENT.
9. DEAR USMAN SINCE THE ARMY MOSTLY BELONG TO PUNJAB THEREFORE I REQUEST YOU COMMENT ON THESE SUGGESTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
sher khan



Aug 21st, 2006 - 1:34 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

Now since you point finger at me. It is fair to say that you are presumably puppet of your masters sitting in India. What you talking about is nothing but sheer stupidity naivety plain hatred without any facts.
Arguments you are presenting are nothing but plain hatred. A typical stereotype playing same non-sense lie’s which been exposed so many times.
Now let’s see…
1-indeed ground realities specks for it self I would like to remind you that there are more then 50% of Paktoons in Balochistan just coz you are Bacloh or whatever doesn’t give you right to speck for everyone living in that province.
2-there are more then 10million Baloch’s living in Punjab with equal opportunities just like everyone else.
3-it’s just sickening to hear your ethnic divide no wonder this country is decades behind and will remain like this till people like you think out of box. No offence to Usman SO WHAT if paktoon are majority representation in military? Point is when we go to join Pakistan military we don’t see our self as Paktoon’s we see our self’s as a Pakistani. Nowhere in this plant had people divided their national defense on ethnic lines.
4-please stop this stereotypical bull crap. Don’t be a coward and stop hiding behind ethnic identity. Face facts like a man.
5-what would be more moronic then accusing someone of being a smuggler then debating in civilized manner. Just above you giving lecture about discussing problems in civilized manner and yet your self is alien to such thing. It’s very fair to say that this just tell us you’re civilized up bring by your family Thank you very much but such civilization is called Ignorance in real world.
5-wow I am stun to see such ignorant analysis of micro economics. Anyway I don’t know if it’s your plain hatred or stupidity which doesn’t let you see that 80% of transportation industry is handled by Paktoon’s. So I don’t know what benefits this ridiculous loony idea of transportation cost cutting would bring to us.
6-another baseless stupid gibberish now tell me in which plant they make surgical dental equipments with wood? How ridiculous to even mentioned Sialkot factories. Sialkot is world famous for its surgical dental equipments, Soccer balls and sports leather wears 95% of factories in Sialkot are for above mentioned products. There use to be 5 or 6 cricket bat making factories CA sports, Ihsan and KA as far by local chamber of commerce these factories due to slow business cut their manufacturing more then 68% now they are much more active in sports wear rather then cricket equipments. Now where which factories are use your wood logic is beyond the imagination of any sensible person.
sher khan



Aug 21st, 2006 - 3:26 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

I am not a coward rat like u hiding behind fake ID.

1-India has been using fighter jets against Kashmiri’s and its no secret. If you don’t know then start reading independent news starting from 1991 do you even know how many innocent Kashmiri women and children have been slaughtered by Indians? Do you have any idea how many villages have been burn to ground by Indian military?
2-i thinks I should meet families of those innocent day laborers killed by BLA first.
3-first of all Jirga is not religious gathering then 2nd which religious gathering in Balochistan was bombed? Which Paktoon areas are you talking about? I never seen any city in NWFP bombed by any fighter jet or gunship. This is just plain ignorance and stupidity which you are talking about.
Let me tell you it straight don’t you dare say this word brotherhood between Baloch and Paktoon. There is not Brotherhood don’t attach my nation to your criminal activities we are not part of any of your Crimes and will never be.
5-you plain hatred doesn’t let you see reality YOU JUST DON’T GET THAT DON’T YOU? Why they don’t bomb that area coz its simple Police can arrest these people anytime and no-one is resisting. Using force is not necessary.
6- Don’t pretend you are not a Paktoon. Who you think you are fooling? Well Pal you are fooling your self. Nice try
The problem here is your ignorance AND PLAIN HATRED. Go educate yourself about what’s been happening in Kashmir then come talk to me about it.
The most ignorant thing about you is that you don’t even know the meaning of word atrocities. Act reasonable so people can take your word seriously.
AMEER



Aug 21st, 2006 - 8:43 AM
Re: MR SO CALLED SHER KHAN

MR SO CALLED KHAN I AM REALLY AMAZED TO KNOW THAT YOU DON' T KNOW THE PASHTOONS AREAS BOMBED BY JETS/GUNSHIPS & SHELLED BY ARTILLERY, VERY STRANGE? WHAT HAPPENED IN WAZIRISTAN, SEE THE NEWSPAPERS & GO THERE TO FIND THE FACTS; DO YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT PASHTOONS? SEE GEO TV/ARY CHANNEL WRITE TO PEOPLE IN MEDIA & YOU WILL FIND THESE FACTS. I MA REALLY FEELING SORRY FOR A BEGHAIRAT PASHTOON, IF YOU ARE, LIKE YOU. LET ME SAY IT IN PASHTO," TA DA PASHTOONA PANAMA YAW BEGHAIRAT DAGH YE AO STA PARANG PASHTANA MOONGA SHARMAWEEE ZAKA CHE STA GHOUNDE KHALAQ PA PAISO KHARSEEGEE LAG DA PAKHAWAR AKHBAROONA KHO OWAYA, PAKHAWAR UNIVERSITY KI PASHTOONO SARA KHO MILAW SHA CHE PA PASHTANO BOMBARAI OSHWE AO KANA; LAG TANK/BANNU/DI KHAN/WAZIRISTAN/JANDOLA TA LAAR SHA CHE HALTA PAKHTANO SARA SA SHAWEE DEE"
2. I THINK IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU THAT YOU DON' T FEEL ASHAMED WHEN PUNJABI POLICE SEARCH YOUR ASS & TESTICALS, YOU DON' T SEE IT HAPPENING AT ATTOCK. YOU ARE THE MOST IGNORANT CREATURE ON THE EARTH THAT YOU DON' T KNOW THAT INDIA HAS NEVER USED JETS/GUNSHIPS/ARTILLERY AGAINST KASHMIRI MUJAHIDEEN BUT YOUR ARMY HAS BEEN DOING THAT WHICH THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS AS SHAUKAT SULTAN WILL APPEAR ON TV AFTER EVERY OPERATION & ANNOUNCE THE SAME.
3. I CAN VERY WELL MAKE IT THAT YOU ARE NOT A PASHTOON OTHERWISE YOU MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT THE FUTURE OF PASHTOON LIES WITH OPPRESSED BALOCHIS & NOT WITH THE OPPRESSORS PUNJABIS.
4. WHATEVER I HAD PUT FORWARD TO YOU FOR ANSWERING, YOU DID NOT ANSWER IN THE SAME MANNER RATHER YOU RESORTED TO USING BAD LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THOSE THINGS; THIS MEANS THAT YOU ARE A STUPID ASS HOLE KNOWING ONLY INTERNET BROWSING IN AN AIRCONSITIONED ROOM OR WHATEVER IS TOLD TO YOU BY YOUR PUNJABI MASTERS TO WRITE ON THE NET. YOU ARE NOT EVEN BOTHERED BY PASHTOONS DEAD BODIES SCATERRED IN BITS & PIECES & THEIR DISGRACE AT ATOOCK; WHICH SIMPLY MEANS YOU ARE NOT A PASHTOON & STOP USING THE NAME OF PASHTOON WHILE WRITING HERE YOU SON OF A FIRING GUN.
Ameer



Aug 21st, 2006 - 10:49 AM
Re: CHAUDHRY USMAN

HOW CAN A PUNJABI BE A "JAHAL" BUT IT IS JAHIL NOT JAHAL. WHATEVER I HAVE SAID REPLY IT LIKE A LEARNED PUNJABI AS YOU CLAIM TO BE SO. YOU WANT THE SOLIDARITY & INTEGRITY OF PAKISTAN WITH THE USE OF SWORD & NOT EVEN A SMALLER PUNJABI LIKE YOU IS WILLING TO GIVE THE DUE RIGHTS OF OTHER PROVINCES. THAS ALL I CAN SAY TO YOU.
Ameer



Aug 21st, 2006 - 10:09 PM
Re: YOU ARE JUST BROWSER NOTHING ELSE

DAER WHATEVER YR
FOR YOUR INFORMATION SOME OF THE REFERENCES ARE:-
1. THE CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN 1973 ITSELF, YOU HAVE NEVER GONE THROUGH IT.
2. www.highbeam.com/.../
Pakistan+halts+military+operation+in+Waziristan~C~+minister.html?refid=ency_botnm -
www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG22Df01.html - 38k

www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=13435 - 35k

3. www.peemac.sdnpk.org/ehb/ehb2000.xls
www.peemac.sdnpk.org/resource/pdf/ehb2001.pdf

4. www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00006838 - 68k


5. www.saag.org/papers4/paper350.html
www.acdis.uiuc.edu/Research/OPs/Cheema/contents/part3.html - 50k -
csis.zoovy.com/product/0892064455 - 14k
www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=16164

6. forums.portugal.craigslist.org/?act=DF&forumID=20&batch=day&mode=night
dailymailnews.com/200508/13/column.html
www.pakdef.info/forum/archive/index.php/t-6454.html
jang.com.pk/thenews/dec2005-daily/20-12-2005/oped/o5.htm -
7. YOU WANT MORE PROOFS, I CAN PROVIDE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION THAT YOU READ THESE WITH OPEN MIND. LET ME PUT THE ARMY CHIEFS RECORD STRAIGHT FOR YOUR INFOMATION OF ONLY PAKISTANI ORIGIN CHIEFS:
MUHAMMAD AYUB---HAZAREWAL
MUSA KHAN-------A HZARA PERSIAN SPEAKING FROM
QUETTA.
YAHYA KHAN------A PERSIAN SPEAKING QAZALBASH FROM PESHAWAR.
A. HAMEED KHAN------A PUNJABI
GUL HASSAN KHAN-----A PASHTOON, COMPELLED TO RESIGN ON GUN POINT BY MUSTAFA KHAR.
TIKA KHAN---------A PUNJABI FROM JHELUM.
ZIA UL HAQ--------A PUNJABI FROM AMRITSAR
ASLAM BEG---------A MUHAJIR
ASIF JANJUA-------A PUNJABI FROM JHELUM
A. WAHEED KAKAR---A PASHTOON OF BALOOCHI ORIGIN APPOINTED BY GHULAM ISHAQ & OPPOSED BY NAZ SHARIF.
JAHANGIR KIRAMAT---A PUNJABI
PAVEZ MUSHARAF-----MUHAJIR

MY DEAR, WHATEVER YOU ARE, YOU ARE SO IGNORANT ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY THAT YOU DON' T KNOW THAT KAKAR IS A PASHTOON TRIBE OF BALOCHISTN & YET YOU ARE TRYING TO BECOME THE CHAMPION OF PAKISTAN. I CAN ALSO PROVIDE YOU WITH IMAGES OF THE BODIES OF PASHTOON SCATTERED IN BITS & PIECES AFTER A BOMBING RAID OF PAKISTAN AIR FORCE ON AMOSQUE IN WAZIRISTAN BUT I WON' T GIVE THOSE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN PAKISTAN & RECONCILLIATION BUT IGNORANT & ILL-INFORMED PEOPLE LIKE YOU & THE HERO OF FAMOUS PUNJABI FILM, "SHER KHAN" INCITE US TO GIVE YOU THESE PROOFS. YOU TWO ARE THE REAL ENEMIES OF THIS COUNTRY & YOU ARE NOT PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES TO MONITOR THIS WEBSITE IN A METICULOUS MANNER. IT SHOULD BE A POINT OF CONCERN FOR YOUR SUPERIORS WHO HAVE ASSIGNED YOU THIS TASK. YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE PROOFS OF THE THINGS THAT EVEN A STUDENT OF FIRST YEAR IN PASHTOON AREA KNOWS. IN THIS ERA OF IT YOU CAN BEFOOL YOUR SUPERIORS BUT NOT THE AGGRIEVED PEOPLE. I THINK YOUR SUPERIORS MUST ASSIGN THIS TASK TO MATURE PEOPLE WHO RESEARCH ON THSE TOPICS & THEN REPLY THE PEOPLE ON THE NET OR THEY SHOULD HIRE SOME LEARNED PEOPLE AVAILABLE IN ABUNDANCE IN PAKISTAN. THE WHOLE WORLD IS CRYING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF PAKISTAN & YOU TWO ARE TRYING TO BEFOOL THE PEOPLE WITH YOUR STUPID ARGUMENT, COUNTER ARGUMENT & CONUTER-COUNTER ARGUMNETS. JUST YESTERDAY OUR FOREIGN OFFICE SPOESWOMAN REJECTED AN AMERICAN THINK TANK REPORT THAT MILITANCY IS ON RISE IN PAKISTAN. SO PLZ TRY TO COOL DOWN THE PEOPLE DON' T INCITE THEM. THIS IS MY MESSAGE TO YOUR BOSSES IN "RAW" THAT WE SHALL SOON BE UNITED NATION AS ALL PAKISTANIS HAVE UNDRESTOOD YOUR DESIGNS AND RAW REMEBER WE ARE ONE NATION UDER THE FLAG OF PAKISTAN & IT IS THE TIME WE PUT OUR GRIEVANCES TO CENTRE & PUNJAB & BELIEVE YOU ME THE PUNJABI INTELLECTUALS ARE RESPONDING POSITIVELY. MESSAGE FOR YOU & SHER KHAN IS GET OFF THIS SITE AND LET INTELLECTUAL PEOPLE OF PUNJAB HANDLE THIS SITUATION.

PAKISTAN PAINDABAD
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
THE OLY NUCLEAR ISLAMIC STATE PAINDABAD
WE ARE ALL WITH THE IDEOLOGY OF PAKISTAN INSPITE OF OUR DIFFERENCES.
RAW AGENTS LIKE USMAN & SHER KHAN GET OFF & LETS SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS BY OURSELVES.
AMEER



Aug 22nd, 2006 - 8:54 AM
Re: YES DEAR YOU ARE RIGHT

YOU ARE RIGHT THAT MAIN PROBLEM HERE IS CURREPTION 7 IGNORING MERIT OTHERWISE NOTHING IS WRONG WITH OUR CONSTITUTION THE PROBLEM IS ITS IMPLEMETATION BUT IF ANYONE IS AGAINST THE STATE, HE IS OUR ENEMY, ANYONE AGAINST THE MISDEED IS AN ANGRY MAN & HE IS TO BE MITIGATED. SO WE MUST SYMPATHETICALLY TELL OUR BALOCH BROTHERS THAT IT IS THE FAULT OF THE ELITES NOT IMPLEMENTING ITS CONSTITUTION IN TRUE SPIRIT & NOT THE FAULT OF THIS COUNTRY OR ITS IDEOLOGY. YOU READ THE CENTRAL ASIA NEWS AGENCY ON INTERNET & YOU WILL FIND THAT SURELY IT IS THE RAW DOING ALL THESE THINGS IN BALOCHISTAN. WE DON' T HAVE TO GO BY THE IDEOLOGY OF PARVEZ MUSHARAF TO ENGAGE OUR TROOPS INSIDE THE COUNTRY EVER WHERE. IT IS ME & YOU TO SYMPATHISE WITH AGGRIEVED BALOCH BROTHERS & NOT THREATENING THE TO GO BACK TO KURDISTAN WE WILL EMBRACE THEM & PUT THEM ALON SIDE US NOT EASY VICTIMS TO RAW OR SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU SEE THE RND REPORT, AN AMERICAN THINK TANK, PREDICTING THE BREAK UP OF PAKISTAN BY 2015 BUT THEY ARE FRIENDS OF MUSHARAF, WE HAVE TO SAVE THIS "ONLY NUCLEAR ISLAMIC STATE" BECAUSE THE GOVT OF TODAY IS LEADING IT TOWARDS DESTRUCTION.PLZ DON' T ASK FOR PROOFS OF SUCH THING AS THE ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN WILL HAVE A WEAPON EASILY AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR EXPLOITATION. THE BALOCHIS ARE PAKISTANIS, THEY WILL REMAIN IN PAKISTAN & BALOCHISTAN WILL PROSPER LIKE OTHER PROVINCES, THEY ARE NOT TO GO BACK TO KURDISTAN, THEY ARE THE BRAVE SONS OF PAKISTAN WITH STRONG SWORDS.


EVERY PAKISTANI ZINDA BAD
PAKISTAN PAINDA BAD
AMEER



Aug 22nd, 2006 - 1:18 PM
Re: UPTO THE LIMITS OF THESE SARDAR YOU ARE RIGHT BUT........................

BUT OUR GENERALS ARE FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN SURVIVALS & NOT FOR THE NATION. **** THESE SARDARS THOROUGHLY IS THE ANSWER TO THEIR MISDEEDS BUT PLZ DON' T BOMB THE COMMON BALOCH. IF YOU USE WEAPONS LIKE JETS/GUNSHIPS THEIR COOLLATERAL DAMAGES ARE VAST ENOUGH TO ATTRACT THE WORLD OPINION & IT REFLECTS THAT THE CONFLICT HAS WIDENED UP THAT IS YOU YOURSELF TELL THE WORLD THAT THE LEVEL OF INSUGENCY IS TOO HIGH WHILE IN FACT IT IS NOT. THIS IS WHAT OUR GENERALS DID IN BANGAL, IN BALOCHISTAN FROM 1973 TO 1977 & OF COURSE IN FATA BUT STRANGELY OUR JETS NEVER CHALLANGED THE INDIAN JETS BOMBING OUR TROOPS IN KARGIL IN 1999. THE OTHER DAY OUR CHIEF OF THE AIR STAFF SAID, 'OUR PRIME MINISTER WILL NEVER WEAP LIKE THE PRIME MINISTER OF LEBANON". I FELT SORRY FOR THAT GENTLEMAN AS HE WAS WELL AWARE OF KARGIL EPISODE. OUR PRIME MINISTER WILL NEVER WEAP FOR HIS NATION RATHER HE WILL RUN AWAY TO HIS OLD MASTERS IN WORLD BANK & START SERVING THERE WHILE WILL FLEE TO USA & START LIVING WITH BILALA MUSHARAF. OUR NO GENERAL WEPT WHEN INDIANS CAPTURED HYDERABAD, JONAGADH, KASHMIR, EAST PAKISTAN, SIACHEN & SIRCREEK. YOU WILL BE ASTONISHED TO KNOW THAT THE LOOSER LION OF PAKISTAN ARMY, GENERAL NIAZI, ASKED FOR A STAFF CAR AT LAHORE AIR PORT AFTER COMING BACK FROM INDIAN CAPTIVITY. SO THEY WILL KEEP THEIR TRADITIONS UP IN FUTURE TOO & TRY TO TELL LIES TO THE NATION AS USUAL. THE JETS/GUNSHIPS BEING USED IN BALOCHISTAN/FATA SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED IN KARGIL.

DEAR YOU KNOW NOW THE PEOPLE FIGHT WITH THE ONCE GIANTS USA & ISRAEL WHO HAVE MORE MODERN AIRCRAFT THAN OUR AIR CHIEF HAS THESE ON HIS DISPOSAL, SO HOW CAN YOU FIGHT EVERY BALOCH; THIS INSURGENCY IS LIKELY TO DRAIN OUR ECONOMY & NOT THE ECONOMY OF OUR WHITE ELEPHANTS ie GENARALS & AIR MARSHALS. IN VAST AREAS LIKE BALOCHISTAN OUR TROOPS WILL BE STRETCHED TO THEIR LIMITS WHEREIN IT WILL BECOME DIFFICULT TO EVEN FEED THEM WHILE THEY WILL BE CHASING THE SHADOWS OF BALOCHI INSURGENTS. WE MUST COUNSEL COMMON BALOCHIS & KEEP THEM WITH US CHASING THESES SARDARS VEHEMENTLY.

ONCE AGAIN I MUST APPRISE YOU THAT USING JETS/GUNSHIPS/ARTILLERY AGAINST YOUR OWN PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN AREA WILL FIRSTLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF INSURGENTS & SECONDLY IT SENDS A VERY BAD MESSAGE TO THE WORLD AND THIRDLY IT SHOWS THAT THE LEVEL OF INSURGENCY IS SO HIGH THAT THE GROUND TROOPS CAN' T CONTROL IT. THIS THE REASON THE CUNNING INDIANS NEVER USED THESE WEAPONS AGAINST KASHMIRI MUJAHIDEEN NOT THAT THEY ARE VERY KIND GENERALS. THE MOST DEADLY ASPECT IS THAT BALOCH INSURGENTS MAY BE SUCCESSFUL TO COVINCE THEIR FOREIGH PATRONS TO PROVIDE THEM WITH ANTI AIRCRAFT MISSILES, THEN OUR GENERAL WILL KEEP TELLING LIES ABOUT THEIR LOSSES IN BALOCHISTAN. THESE GENERALS ARE FOND OF ACCUMULATING PROPERTIES, USING SERVICE AIRCRAFT/VEHICLES/BULLDOZER & OTHER SO MANY THINGS TO FACILITATE THEIR FAMILIES & AGRICULTURAL LAND.
JUST GO TO THE PAKISTAN AIR FORCE SITE ON NET & YOU WILL FIND THAT THE NUMBER OF AIR VICE MARSHALS & AIR MARSHALS ARE MORE THAN THE NUMBER OF SQUADRONS WE HAVE. THEY LEAD A MORE LUXURIOUS LIFES EVEN THAN THE MUGHAL KINGS. THEY KNOW WELL THAT USING THESE AIRCRAFT IN THEIR COUNTRY MEANS WHAT, THEY ARE AWARE OF IT BUT STILL THEY DO IT. WHAT HAPPENED IN WAZIRISTAN, I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE WEBSITES SEE THESE, AFTER ALL OUR GENERALS HAD TO GIVE UP BECAUSE THEIR USE OF EXCESSIVE POWER MADE EVERY BODY THEIR ENEMY IN THAT AREA & STILL THEY ARE USING THE SAME TACTICS. WELL SHABASH OUR GENERALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE WON EVERY BATTLE THAT YOU HAVE FOUGHT??????????

COMMON BALOCHIS WE ARE WITH YOU. MAY ALLAH HELP YOU IN THIS HOUR OF HARDSHIPS. OUR GENERALS SHOULD THINK THAT THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS FROM THE SAME COUNTRY, STOP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE & LET THE DEMOCRACY RETURN TO & CONTINUE IN THIS COUNTRY.
A foriegner friend



Aug 23rd, 2006 - 11:08 PM
Re: YOU ALL STOP TALKING BIGGER THINGS....................

dear you all! don' t worry the whole world knows your worth. you call yourself a nuclear state but in fact you are a nuclear bluff your generals know it. You call yourself an islamic state but in fact you are worst & more open than any society in the world your generals know it. you talk of your air cief, he know the worth of his air force because he is busy collecting and looking for junks all over the world look at at your fleet of mirages you are the only country left operating these old mirage-iii and probably iv looking for these junks all over the globe. my dears you all don' t know the abc of defence equipment so no use to debate it with you but equipment wise your forces are living in the 1960 decades. having more generals does not mean you have a very strong defence capability. don' t blame your generals they know where are they standing they are commanding junkyards and mene but no equipment. as far your islam is concerned it is divided into many many sects you are not even one on this issues. ethnically you stand divided and perhapes looted by punjabis as i can see it on the internet. you are one of the two countries in the world presently ruled by military the other is myanmar. you are the hub of terrorism, narcotics etc. ask your pilots they are flying the elder 100% older than their own ages. your t-59 tanks are not even manufactured by china read international strategic studies. you people are living in illusion when call your country a nuclear state and the people laugh at you. you have not won even a single war inside your country or with india. plz come back to reality and stop talking bigger thing because it does not your capabilities.
Ameer



Aug 24th, 2006 - 8:13 PM
Re: WEll DEAR FOREIGNER LISTEN.............

DEAR FOREIGNER

YOU SEEM TO BE AN ANGRY ARAB WHO IS ANGRY BECAUSE OF THE DEROGATORY REMARKS OF OUR AIR CHIEF ABOUT LEBANESE PRIME. BELIEVE YOU ME WE ARE WITH YOU ARABS. AS YOU DISLIKE YOUR KINGS, WE DISLIKE OUR GENERALS/AIR MARSHALS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE HUNTING DOGS OF USA HUNTING & KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE ON HER BEHEST JUST TO SETTLE THEIR SONS & DAUGHTERS IN AMERICA.

I AM SAYING SORRY TO YOU ON THE STUPIDITY OF OUR IMPOSED CHIEF. HE MUST HAVE THOUGHT THAT HE WAS TALKING TO HIS SUBORDINATES AT THAT TIME & EVERY ONE WOULD SAY YES SIR TO HIM. HOWEVER YOU SEE OUR NEWSPAPERS, HE HAS BEEN CASTIGATED& CONDEMNED BY OUR PEOPLE.

WE ARE ALL ONE BUT THESE GENERALS OF OUR & YOUR KINGS HAVE DIVIDED US. WE DON' T TRUST OUR FORCES WHICH YOU HAVE DUBBED AS JUNK, IF THE TIME COMES IT WILL BE THE COMMON MAN OF THIS COUNTRY FIGHTING THE INVADER & NOT THESE COWARD GENERALS & AIR MARSHALS, THEY WILL ALL RUN AWAY TO USA & START LIVING WITH THEIR SONS.

THE PATRIOTIC LEBANESE PRIME MINSTER ZINDA BAD
OUR AIR CHIEF MUST RESIGN ON HIS STUPID REMARKS.
FORIEGNER FRIEND



Aug 25th, 2006 - 1:29 PM
Re: NAAM YA AKHI

dear ameer

u r rite to recognize me. when i see at website rakhshakbharat.com, i feel ashamed of my being a muslim. when i first saw the film of dhakka surrender, i could not sleep & felt ashamed of your generals. when i read on the same website-safedsagar- the operatios' story of indian air force in kargil i thought that pakistani air marshals will learn some lesson and revenge the indians but then came the atlantic shooting down by indian air force and i thoght these pakistani genrals and air marshals will wake up now but i am sorry to say that they are still boasting with their junks. i think they have become non-professional or the professional people are not let to come up.its ok that pakistan is first but they are killing pakistanis and not the enemies of pakistan as i have read in some of the websites you had put forward to usman. i think this air marshal is also a punjabi as i can make it from your messages written here.

this air chief should read the internatiuonal strategic studies institution report and find for himself that the same lebanese prime minister has gifted some of the vintage mirage junks to his air force and still he is laughing at him. you have also approached libya for the same junks and mr air chief thinks that he is commanding a very strong air force, ridculous thinking on his part. bombing your own people & not challanging the enemy busy in destroying your troops does not mean that your defence is very strong. shame on you mr air chief of pakistan air force.

mr air chief had you seen condaleeza rice saying about your nuclear weapons in the congress testimony? she said that no worry about pakistan nuclear weapons they have been taken care of. you know what does this mean? gone are the days when arab population thought of nawaz sharief to be the real son of islam after your nuclear explosions, we no more think that you are a nuclear power rather a country hostage at the hands of few coward generals & air marshals. you know what does this mean? you can no longer befool the muslims in the world now they know your worth- thanks to internet. we don' t trust you any more. you can kill muslims for the sake of kuffars & hand them over to them at least the arab population now don' t trust you at all.
yaa akhi maafi khalas.
AZIZO KHAN



Aug 27th, 2006 - 10:03 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

DEAR MR USMAN

YOU THINK YOU HAVE MADE AMEER RUN AWAY BUT PLZ NOTE THAT YOU COULD NOT REPLY HIM OF HIS MESSAGE UNDER THE SAME HEADING OF AUGUST 22, 2006. YOU ARE REALLY KNOWING NOTHIN BUT JUST START A TOPIC & THEN RUN AWAY LEAVING THE TOPIC TO RESTART ANOTHER.

YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THIS GREAT ARAB THAT HE AT LEAST FELT SORRY FOR A MUSLIM ARMY SURRENDERING IN A CEREMONIAL MANNER TO HINDU ARMY. YOU SHOULD APPRECIATE HIS IMAN THAT AFTER SEEING THAT FILM HE COULD NOT SLEEP FEELING SORRY FOR HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS AND CURSING THEM FOR THEIR COWARDNESS.

I THINK YOU READ THE HOLY QURAN TO REGAIN YOUR EEMAN AS IT IS TELLING MUSLIMS NOT TO SHOW THEIR BACKS TO KUFFAR IN A WAR & DON' T RETRIEVE UNTILL & UNLESS IT IS A PART OF YOUR TACTICS, CAN YOU DENY THIS SAYING OF QURAAN? PLZ KEEP WORKING HARD FOR THESE GENERALS FOR A MEAGRE SALARY. BELIEVE YOU ME & TRUST ME THAT I HAVE A VAST BUSINESS & I CAN PROVIDE YOU BETTER SALARY, IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED.

PLZ SEE THE TV CHANNELS OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY, YOU THINK THEY ARE ALL TELLING LIES? INSTEAD OF APPRECIATING YOUR THIS MUSLIM BROTHER, YOU ARE TALKING SOMETHING RUBBISH TO HIM. YES IT IS TRUE THAT INDIANS SHOT DOWN OUR ATLANTIC INSIDE PAKISTAN & EVEN THEIR COMMANDOS TOOK AWAY ITS WREKAGE TO INDIA. WAS THIS AIR CHIEF IN PAKISTAN AIR FORCE ON THAT DAY? IF YES WHY DID HE NOT TAKE THE REVENGE?

PLZ TALK LOGICALLY TO YOUR THIS MUSLIM BROTHER WHO IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH & SHOWING THE TRUE FACES OF THESE GENERALS & AIR MARSHALS. I MYSELF WATCHED THE CONDALEEZA RICE SAYING THIS AS THIS WAS BEING SHOWN LIVE ON CNN, I DON' T KNOW WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SAVE THESE GENRALS AND AIR MARSHALS.

YOU ARE A NAUGHTY OPERATOR.

YOU HAVE TO FACE ALLAH WHO IS KHAIR UL RAZIQEEN. DON' T SAY SUCH THINGS FOR YOUR THIS LOW SALARY ALLAH WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH BETTER RIZQ. PLZ QUIT THIS JOB AS YOU ARE TRYING TO HIDE FACTS BEHIND THE CURTAINS OF LIES; MY DEAR! QURAN FORBIDS THIS. HAVE THE COURAGE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH AND DON' T FOLLOW THE NEW ISLAM INTRODUCED BY THESE GENERALS AND AIR MARSHALS.

DEAR ARAB BROTHER I APPRECIATE YOUR FEELINGS & I AM SAYING SORRY TO YOU FOR WHATEVER USMAN HAS SAID TO YOU, FORGIVE HIM BECAUSE HE IS DOING THIS BECAUSE OF HIS JOB OTHERWISE HE KNOWS THE TRUTH.
Yitzhak



Aug 28th, 2006 - 10:46 AM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

Gone are the days when Pakistani’s look at Arabs and think of them as brothers. Calling these Terrorists Muslims won’t make them so. The point is HIZBUALLAH, HAMAS, AL QUIDA are all same Terrorist killing innocent civilian in Israel and other countries. It is about time Pakistani’s open their eyes and look at them self as a Pakistani first then a Muslim. The perfect thing would be when all Pakistani’s join hand in hand and stood with rest of the world to eliminate these bloodthirsty killers of Hezbollah Hamas, and Al-Quida once and for all. And most of all ARABS should not forget how ISRAEL kick their A** 4times. And still is the most powerful country in that region. More then 200million Arabs don’t have balls to mess with a small country of only 6million. I think you Arabs still remember Yom Kippur War of 1967…….
Usman



Aug 28th, 2006 - 12:22 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

Yitzhak

We support our Muslim Brothers wherever they are sufferingI think you remeber how Hezbollah kicked your ass back across the blue line, once again you had to go crying to the US. so shut up and sit down.
khalid



Aug 28th, 2006 - 12:23 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

fully agree with above comment.I dont know in what kind of FOOLS PARADISE these muslims and arabs live in.Every time a Jihad is declared, every time their ass is kicked.
AZIZO KHAN



Aug 28th, 2006 - 1:18 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

DEAR USMAN

VERY WELL DONE FOR THE FIRST TIME I AM PRAISING YOU ON THE NET. IS JAWAB KA SILLA ALLAH PAK AAP KO DAIGA. PLZ SEE THAT EVEN MOSAD (IRAELI INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IS MONITORING EVRY THING IN PAKISTAN) AND ONE MORE THING THAT THEY ARE FULLY SUPPORTING OUR GENERALS AS OUR MUSHARAF & THIS YAHOODI ARE ADVISING US OF THE SAME THING, "PAKISTAN FIRST".

THESE YAHOODIS ARE ACTUALLY AFRAID OF OUR MISSILES & NUKES MADE BY DR A Q KHAN WHOME THEY HAVE NOW MADE A HOSTAGE AT THE HANDS OF OUR COWARD GENERALS.

MR KHALID PLZ CHANGE YOUR ISLAMIC NAME. THE MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED AND OCCUPIED EVERY WHERE & THEY ARE LAYING THEIR LIFES FOR ALLAH. ALLAH WILL PREVAIL THEM OVER THEIR ENEMIES, THIS IS WHAT HE HAS PROMISED US. YOU KEEP SITTING IN THE LAPS OF THESE KUFFAR & ENJOY YOUR THIS WORLDLY LIFE.
A foriegner friend



Aug 28th, 2006 - 8:13 PM
Re: WE ARE IN YOUR SEARCH

ASSALAM U ALLAIKUM TO ALL MUSLIMS!

oye mr yahoodi remember all muslims are one they are veins of blood of the same body. remember gone are the days when you used to say that you had been defeating us. a small group of mujahideen like hizb ullah has kicked your asses in 34 days raining you with rockets every day inspite of your strong defence machinery.

look at usman how he has replied you & before he used to oppose me. we can talk harsh to each other but when it comes to kuffar we are one. we shall soon get rid off our cowards kings & generals, thanks to hizb ullah & then we shall not be kicking your asses with our balls rathr we will put our dicks in your asses in broad daylight under open skies.

remember we are declared nuclear power, see pakistan. you are a matter of just two pakistani nukes don' t boast so much. our hearts beat with our pakistani brothers so what if i talk to them like this or vice versa. pakistan is the jugular vein of muslim world. you ass hole yahoodi, can a person live without this vein?????????? we pray for the prosperity of pakistan & pray to Allah to give them with rulers like nawaz sharief.
Yitzhak