A quick quote may befit this thread. (Possessing no original thoughts of my own so must follow those that have gone before me...)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience." Teilhard de Chardin


TGIF,
K.

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Kathy,
Great insights. And more related to this thread than you may think. This is a quote Campbell often repeated. It suggests we are as much metaphysical beings as much as if not more so as we are physical beings.

And it goes to the crux of what I am trying to get across. If indeed there is a true spiritual {metaphysical} aspect that Jung so aggressively argued {spirituality being a metaphysical aspect beyond a physical understanding, but not necessarily something that is miraculous} then what I propose in my suggestion is we as humans have access to the realm of nature that is capable of informing the human senses. It is all within nature {which of course is counter to Western religions} which has a basis of relativity to human nature. If other animals can sense earthquakes, tsunamies and other natural events then is it not possible humans can also sense certain events. The Force that is alluded to in Star Wars is exactly that force within nature.

In Darwin's Origin of Species Natural Selection provides nature with the tools to survive, or become extinct. Campbell offers up how new born turtles instinctively know to run to the ocean upon birth. This is imprinted within their psyche. This imprintation in humans is called Archeypes.

More on Campbell's turtles
Campbell was also making another point when giving his story about turtles instinctive nature at birth {borrowed from Leo Frobenius}. He states that the turtles look like small tanks making a dash to the sea, being picked off by gulls, dive bombers striking at the new borns. And just when the infant turtles reach the ocean and what seems to be safety and freedom, they are eaten by the large fish in the water.
Life is tough!

How true.

Gerard

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Gerard,

Agreed. Nature is human nature, human nature is Nature. Everything is one and the same. I think it is our, (human), fallacy in trying to separate one from another. Nature is Nature however experienced whether it be as "animal, vegtable or mineral" or celestial (Gai, the sun or other universal bodies). I feel this sense, intuition, to danger is expressed as the fight or flight instinct innate to All sentient existences, including Gai in the definition of both sentient and being a spiritual being. Can not Darwin’s Natural Selection then also be applied to Gai? Or for that matter, the Sun, or the whole host of forms in physical existence? Life, death, rebirth. It's displayed and reinforced in all of Nature, in all of physical existence. Where would Nature conceptualize of this cycle? Possibly from it’s own experience of life, death and rebirth. Gai has sensed, intuited, the advancing danger to it’s Self. Therefore it reacts. It’s energy pattern, (it’s thoughts & emotions), even before the slightest development of ‘physical’ reaction could be the cause of these vibrations as it’s energy emanates throughout. Different forms receive different ‘wave lengths’. The animals just prior to the incident. Some select humans, those with highly developed intuition, before a storm is even a single piece of dust in the air. This whole series of events could be viewed as a demonstration of intuition. Including Nature’s intuition and Natural Selection self survival instinct.


(And you’re first thought will probably be ‘where’s the empirical thought/evidence in this statement?” You’re right, there is none present. I remain on the plane of the lowly and inferior so have yet to make progress in developing rational thought.)

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A quick update on Rita. I ventured out only for a while and that was to watch my grandson practice soccer. The vibes are still constant but more in an ebb and flow. Hopefully that is a position sign that Galveston and Houston will avoid a direct hit. Displacing another 2.5 million people would a real catastrophe for us all, not to speak of the deaths and suffering the storm will/has caused.
Perhaps our meditations and prayers will have a positive effect also.

Rita is predicted to hit Texas early tomorrow morning {around 4AM cst}. If it comes ashore as predicted it will hit Beaumont, Tx. She will be a catagory 3, a major hurricane.
The latitude/longitude of Beaumont, Tx. is
30n05 94w06
Yep! 135

The storm is predicted to stall out over Texas for several days after it comes ashore and could cause up to 2 feet of rain. I don't see this hurricane dying out without leaving some real damage. There could be as much damage from the rain afterwards as the storm arriving onshore. If the damage is to property and not to people, Mother Nature will have been mercifull.

Gerard