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Kim

Jun 13, 07 - 9:53 PM

Symptoms

im 16 yrs old and i read a book about MPD and I wanted to know some of the symptoms so I was browsing your site. When i was little my cousin used to molest me and ever since Ive always had problems with my jaw bones and my bones. I always have headaches and constant mood swings that I sometimes dont remember.

Katherine

Jun 30th, 2007 - 4:19 PM

Re: Symptoms

I just found this site while I was looking for resourses for a friend.

Lets start with your age. At 16 you are natually going to be going through LOTS of mood changes. Its called being smack dap in the middle of publerty and being a teenager. and as a teen ager its natural not to remember EVERY little thing that you do and have done in your lifetime. Hech you know what? Even most adults without any mental disorders normally don't remember every thing in their life. This is the brains natural funtion of storing things in the short term memory or long term memory recall. Short term memory recall is like a tempory file and garbage can. It keeps memorys for only a short time and if it doesnt get used it is emptied like taking the trash out. This leaves a persons brain clear for those really important things that a person must use and remember through out their whole live and those short term memories that the person needs to use and remember all thair life is emptied from the short term memory recall temporary file into the permanent file called long term memory recall.

there are two different kinds of long term memory recall files - the conscious memories and the unconscious memories. Conscious memories are the memories that are things you remember doing like going to your best friends yesterday. The unconscious memories are things that the brain is storing without you really knowing and thinking about it. these memories are things like you breathing, your heart pumping blood, your nerves sending kind of like private notes to the brain of things you touch. you know how if you touch something hot with your fingers and with out thinking about it your hand pulls away and you say ouch. you realize that that hot thing on the stove that you touched hurt but you did not see the pot, touch the pot and make the decision to tell the brain that it was hot and tell yourself to pull away from it and did not talk yourself into saying ouch. Your brain took care of all that private messaging for you and very quicky.

the brain moves angthing that is a danger to you into the unconscious memory long term files also when you experience something that is so upsetting to you that you fear for your life. you feel like whatever you are going through is going to kill you or the person doing things to you is going to kill you.

the memories that are in the conscious memory recall file you can remember just by thinking about that memory.

But the memories that are in the unconscious memoriy files you don't know what they are so you can't just think about them and remember them. kind of like having a locked treasure chest that is buried. you don't know its there until someone provides you with the map and directions to get to that treasure chest.

Now you know how the brain works.Now lets talk about what it takes to be DID and what the symptoms are. Being DID is much more complicated than just being abused and not remembering things.

the not remembering things symptom is more than just not remembering things like where you put your book or what happened to you when you were abused. things like that is considered normal for people not to remember all the time.

the not remembering from having Dissociative Identity Disorder is not remembering things that go beyond being explained my normally not remembering things, like everyone normally knows what their name, address and phone number is and who their friends are. But a person with DID doesnt remember these things. I have one client that had to call her best friend and ask her what her own phone number was when I asked her what is your phone number, she can never answer the question how old are you because she can't remember what her birthdate is.

Having this severe beyond the normal memory problems is one of the things that is required in order for a psychiatrist to diagnose the person with having DID,

Katherine

Jun 30th, 2007 - 4:54 PM

Re: Symptoms

Another requirement is that the person must have 2 or more personalities or identities that repeatedly taking control.

Lets go back to how the brain works again for a minute. If you can remember something just by thinking about it that memory is a conscious memory and if you have no idea that the memory is there and how it got there is an unconscious memory. So how do you remember and think about the unconscious memories? you do it unconsciously.

a person has feelings right - they can feel sad, happy, excited, scared... so many things. Well when a person feels something bad like being sad or scared thats called being triggered.

Well a person with DID learned how to do something called Dissociation unconsciously when they were being abused when they were younger than 5.

Dissociation is thinking and daydreaming about things other than what you are doing. you know how when you get bored in school and start thinking about what you are going to do after school and suddenly the teacher is asking you to answer a question but you didn't hear the question because you were concentrating on what you are going to do after school? Thats a normal example of dissociating. People do this all the time in their nortmal lives.

But people who are DID unconsciously took this to the not so normal way. Because they thought they were going to die they pretended that they were not the one being abused, that other people in their lives that they know were being abused. they pretended to be somewhere safe - in their wall, in their mattress, floating, some even pretended to be in some place other than in the room where they were.

a person who dissociates to this abnormal level is afraid for thie lives. they can't just do this on purpose. They first get triggered by something that is going on in their life and then dissociate. Using dissociation to this level is a protection. kind of like seatbelts protect a person in a car from harm, dissociation to this level protects the person being abused by making it possible to escape through daydreaming and not letting the abusers and people around them has found a way to escape.

when a person dissociates to this not normal level something happens. you know how the brain automatically takes care of your heart beating and keeping you breathing? well it also keeps the rest of your body alive like that during dissociating beyond the normal. When a person dissociates beyond the normal level the brain keeps the body alive and funtioning like a tape recorder on replay. It matches what is going on in the persons life with the unconscious memories and replays them so that the body acts those memories out and it keeps switching from unconscious memory to unconscious memory until the person is no longer afraid and can consciously take care of things again.

When this happens its called being an alternate personality. A persons personality is how they feel, what they look like how they talk, walk and so on. you know how in school if you see someone telling lots of jokes you say hes funny, or someone who likes computers and math that they are a geek. You are describing that persons type of personality. An alternate personality is changing from that normal every day type of personality you are to the type of person you were when those unconscious memories were stored in the unconscious memories.

If during that abuse situation that was stored unconsciously you were 6 years old, angry and wearing a green dress and had pig tails in your hair, then thats what you would switch to when you were the alternate personality of this onconscious memory that is replaying.

you would put your hair up in pigtails, wear a green dress, talk like you were 6 years old saying and doing things that are this unconscious memory that your brain has replaying.

Most times 98% of the time, when this switch from being the way a person normally is to being an alternate personality the person does not know what it happening when they are the alternate personality because they are busy daydreaming that they are safely floating, safe in their wall, mattress, or safe in their daydream world.

Alternate personalities are called by different words that mean the same thing - Alters, , personalities, Identities, Fragments, Parts, Pieces of memories are all words that are used for the same thing - an alternate personality.

Katherine

Jun 30th, 2007 - 5:08 PM

Re: Symptoms

To be diagnosed DID the person must have 2 or more alternate personalities that have complete control. This means the person with DID doesn't know what is happening when that person is those alters and cannot control anything that happens when they are those 2 or more alternate personalities. They just automatically act out those unconscious memories.

this same requirement of having 2 or more alternate personalities is that those 2 or more alternate personalities or identities are distint.

Distint means that whatever it is is one of a kind. it doesn't change in any way. it has a set way to be and will always remain that way. A cup made special order is distinct because there is none like it anywhere. it doesnt share anything with any of the other cups made by that artist.

the same thing for these alternate personalities of 2 or more they have to be distinct. What that means is that they don't change in anyway from the first time that the person switches into them to the last time they switch into them they are the same as they always were never changing, aging, learning and so on.

The person each time they are this alternate personality they are that age of the alternate personality, dresses, talks, walks, uses the same language, behavour patterns, body language, heart beat and breathing rate of that alternate personality and only do what is already that alternate personality.

for example the 2 or more alternate personalities , identities, parts, fragments and so on don't get older or younger they stay the same age each and every time the person is that alternate personality.

They always wear their hair in that same style of that alternate personality every time they switch into that alternate personality.

they always use the same words and do the same things when they are that alternate personality.

these distint alternate personalities don't age, learn how to do new things, and can't do anything that the person could not do at the time those unconscious memories were stored that are being acted out as alternate personalities.

for example a friend as an alternate personality cannot type on a computer because computers were not invented until she was an adult.

Another person I know can't use cell phones when she is alternate personalities because the type of cell phones that they have today are not like the ones that they had 20 years ago during the time that she was being abuse and using dissociation to excape her abusers while being abused.

Katherine

Jun 30th, 2007 - 5:18 PM

Re: Symptoms

this is why people who have DID experience something that is called time loss.

A time loss is having a space of time that there is no memory of what happened.

they don't know what happened because 2 or more distinct personalities were in control.

Having time loss is like watching tv one second and the next you are playing basketball with your friends an hour,or day, or week, or month, or years later but to you it doesn't feel like any time has passed. its just watching tv and the next you are playing basketball. There is no fear or pain in this switch its like snapping your fingers.. watching tv snap throwing the basketball into the basket. Sometimes when this happens the person will stop what they are doing and think what am I doing playing basketball I should be watching tv, what happened? THEN they get scared because they can't remember what went on between the watching tv and throwing that basketball. but the action of having a time switch does not have any pain and so on with it. in fact most people after the time loss are very calm and relaxed not paniced and afraid because they were dissociated - they were daydreaming that they were floating or daydreaming that they were in someplace safe.

Katherine

Jun 30th, 2007 - 5:46 PM

Re: Symptoms

The headaches too for DID are a special kind of headache. they are not the normal stress headaches that people get when they are tired or have been working hard. This kind of headache actually goes away in just a few minutes when the person with dID is no longer dissociated. This kind of headache usually doesn't bother people with dID too much because its there and then gone.

Remember that the brain unconsciously takes care of heart beat and breathing rate. well other things change in a persons body as they grow. a 5 year olds chemicals in their brain that helps the brain work like dopamine and so on is not the same level that you as a 16 year old has. Yours are more or less of that of a 5 year old normally has. Its like going to the doctors and getting a blood test to find out if your iron is low and that means you are anemic or if your iron level is normal you are not anemic. if your sugar level is low you are diabetic.. well the whole boy chemicals, vitamins and minerals change as a person grows. sometimes they have more sometimes less sometimes they are normal.

when a person dissociates they are going from how they are now blood counts, chemical, vitamins and minerals to what they were when those unconscious memories were stored that they are acting out, and then when they are no longer dissociated into being an alternate personality they return back to the blood counts, chemicals, vitamins and minerals levels that they normally are.

this changing from present levels to the unconscious memory levels to present levels again causes a sslight headache and foggy feeling. but once all levels are back to normal which only takes a matter of second like when you touch something hot your brain really quickly makes you pull your hand away its that fast. usually just as fast as people with DID feel the headache its gone again.

there are other symptoms and requirements for having DID most of which are not told to people until after they have been tested and diagnosed as being DID and must work on special things to take care of these symptoms and problems. Alot of symptoms and problems that DID people have are not talked about with the person until after they have been tested and diagnosed with having DID because there are people who sometimes like to pretend they have DID when they don't you know like when your friends want to be like you or like other friends. If one friend wants to go to a movie another friend wants to see that same movie, a friend gets the newest computer game and another friend buys it because their friend had it. Well there are people just like that, that like to copy being sick for attention and stuff when they really arent. and so therapists, psychiatrists and psychologists don't talk about the symptoms and problems that they keep to themselves so that they know who really has DID and who is pretending to be DID.

You can find out if you are DID by seeing a psychiatrist and doing lots of tests called a comprehensive psychological test with suplimental testing for DID. Some of the tests are like what you do in school - math science, geography, health, social studys, history, some is talking about you and your family, and answering questions that the psychiatrist asks you, and some are computerized true and false and multiple choice, and some are where you have to draw what the psychiatrist asks you to draw (simple things like draw a tree, draw your family, draw a dog...) and some are looking at pictures telling stories about those pictures. The test is really long and sometimes takes two weeks or more to do especially if the person is DID because they want to test you the way you are now not the you when you are an alter. You can find examples of some of these tests on line but they are not the exact ones that they give because the actual tests are changed alot so people cant just copy from their friends and stuff like new tests are made every 6 months for some and every year for others.

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Kim Jun 13, 07 - 9:53 PM	Symptoms im 16 yrs old and i read a book about MPD and I wanted to know some of the symptoms so I was browsing your site. When i was little my cousin used to molest me and ever since Ive always had problems with my jaw bones and my bones. I always have headaches and constant mood swings that I sometimes dont remember. Email: Kapricorn101@yahoo.com
Katherine Jun 30th, 2007 - 4:19 PM	Re: Symptoms I just found this site while I was looking for resourses for a friend. Lets start with your age. At 16 you are natually going to be going through LOTS of mood changes. Its called being smack dap in the middle of publerty and being a teenager. and as a teen ager its natural not to remember EVERY little thing that you do and have done in your lifetime. Hech you know what? Even most adults without any mental disorders normally don't remember every thing in their life. This is the brains natural funtion of storing things in the short term memory or long term memory recall. Short term memory recall is like a tempory file and garbage can. It keeps memorys for only a short time and if it doesnt get used it is emptied like taking the trash out. This leaves a persons brain clear for those really important things that a person must use and remember through out their whole live and those short term memories that the person needs to use and remember all thair life is emptied from the short term memory recall temporary file into the permanent file called long term memory recall. there are two different kinds of long term memory recall files - the conscious memories and the unconscious memories. Conscious memories are the memories that are things you remember doing like going to your best friends yesterday. The unconscious memories are things that the brain is storing without you really knowing and thinking about it. these memories are things like you breathing, your heart pumping blood, your nerves sending kind of like private notes to the brain of things you touch. you know how if you touch something hot with your fingers and with out thinking about it your hand pulls away and you say ouch. you realize that that hot thing on the stove that you touched hurt but you did not see the pot, touch the pot and make the decision to tell the brain that it was hot and tell yourself to pull away from it and did not talk yourself into saying ouch. Your brain took care of all that private messaging for you and very quicky. the brain moves angthing that is a danger to you into the unconscious memory long term files also when you experience something that is so upsetting to you that you fear for your life. you feel like whatever you are going through is going to kill you or the person doing things to you is going to kill you. the memories that are in the conscious memory recall file you can remember just by thinking about that memory. But the memories that are in the unconscious memoriy files you don't know what they are so you can't just think about them and remember them. kind of like having a locked treasure chest that is buried. you don't know its there until someone provides you with the map and directions to get to that treasure chest. Now you know how the brain works.Now lets talk about what it takes to be DID and what the symptoms are. Being DID is much more complicated than just being abused and not remembering things. the not remembering things symptom is more than just not remembering things like where you put your book or what happened to you when you were abused. things like that is considered normal for people not to remember all the time. the not remembering from having Dissociative Identity Disorder is not remembering things that go beyond being explained my normally not remembering things, like everyone normally knows what their name, address and phone number is and who their friends are. But a person with DID doesnt remember these things. I have one client that had to call her best friend and ask her what her own phone number was when I asked her what is your phone number, she can never answer the question how old are you because she can't remember what her birthdate is. Having this severe beyond the normal memory problems is one of the things that is required in order for a psychiatrist to diagnose the person with having DID, Email: katherinemanne@hotmail.com
Katherine Jun 30th, 2007 - 4:54 PM	Re: Symptoms Another requirement is that the person must have 2 or more personalities or identities that repeatedly taking control. Lets go back to how the brain works again for a minute. If you can remember something just by thinking about it that memory is a conscious memory and if you have no idea that the memory is there and how it got there is an unconscious memory. So how do you remember and think about the unconscious memories? you do it unconsciously. a person has feelings right - they can feel sad, happy, excited, scared... so many things. Well when a person feels something bad like being sad or scared thats called being triggered. Well a person with DID learned how to do something called Dissociation unconsciously when they were being abused when they were younger than 5. Dissociation is thinking and daydreaming about things other than what you are doing. you know how when you get bored in school and start thinking about what you are going to do after school and suddenly the teacher is asking you to answer a question but you didn't hear the question because you were concentrating on what you are going to do after school? Thats a normal example of dissociating. People do this all the time in their nortmal lives. But people who are DID unconsciously took this to the not so normal way. Because they thought they were going to die they pretended that they were not the one being abused, that other people in their lives that they know were being abused. they pretended to be somewhere safe - in their wall, in their mattress, floating, some even pretended to be in some place other than in the room where they were. a person who dissociates to this abnormal level is afraid for thie lives. they can't just do this on purpose. They first get triggered by something that is going on in their life and then dissociate. Using dissociation to this level is a protection. kind of like seatbelts protect a person in a car from harm, dissociation to this level protects the person being abused by making it possible to escape through daydreaming and not letting the abusers and people around them has found a way to escape. when a person dissociates to this not normal level something happens. you know how the brain automatically takes care of your heart beating and keeping you breathing? well it also keeps the rest of your body alive like that during dissociating beyond the normal. When a person dissociates beyond the normal level the brain keeps the body alive and funtioning like a tape recorder on replay. It matches what is going on in the persons life with the unconscious memories and replays them so that the body acts those memories out and it keeps switching from unconscious memory to unconscious memory until the person is no longer afraid and can consciously take care of things again. When this happens its called being an alternate personality. A persons personality is how they feel, what they look like how they talk, walk and so on. you know how in school if you see someone telling lots of jokes you say hes funny, or someone who likes computers and math that they are a geek. You are describing that persons type of personality. An alternate personality is changing from that normal every day type of personality you are to the type of person you were when those unconscious memories were stored in the unconscious memories. If during that abuse situation that was stored unconsciously you were 6 years old, angry and wearing a green dress and had pig tails in your hair, then thats what you would switch to when you were the alternate personality of this onconscious memory that is replaying. you would put your hair up in pigtails, wear a green dress, talk like you were 6 years old saying and doing things that are this unconscious memory that your brain has replaying. Most times 98% of the time, when this switch from being the way a person normally is to being an alternate personality the person does not know what it happening when they are the alternate personality because they are busy daydreaming that they are safely floating, safe in their wall, mattress, or safe in their daydream world. Alternate personalities are called by different words that mean the same thing - Alters, , personalities, Identities, Fragments, Parts, Pieces of memories are all words that are used for the same thing - an alternate personality. Email: katherinemanne@hotmail.com
Katherine Jun 30th, 2007 - 5:08 PM	Re: Symptoms To be diagnosed DID the person must have 2 or more alternate personalities that have complete control. This means the person with DID doesn't know what is happening when that person is those alters and cannot control anything that happens when they are those 2 or more alternate personalities. They just automatically act out those unconscious memories. this same requirement of having 2 or more alternate personalities is that those 2 or more alternate personalities or identities are distint. Distint means that whatever it is is one of a kind. it doesn't change in any way. it has a set way to be and will always remain that way. A cup made special order is distinct because there is none like it anywhere. it doesnt share anything with any of the other cups made by that artist. the same thing for these alternate personalities of 2 or more they have to be distinct. What that means is that they don't change in anyway from the first time that the person switches into them to the last time they switch into them they are the same as they always were never changing, aging, learning and so on. The person each time they are this alternate personality they are that age of the alternate personality, dresses, talks, walks, uses the same language, behavour patterns, body language, heart beat and breathing rate of that alternate personality and only do what is already that alternate personality. for example the 2 or more alternate personalities , identities, parts, fragments and so on don't get older or younger they stay the same age each and every time the person is that alternate personality. They always wear their hair in that same style of that alternate personality every time they switch into that alternate personality. they always use the same words and do the same things when they are that alternate personality. these distint alternate personalities don't age, learn how to do new things, and can't do anything that the person could not do at the time those unconscious memories were stored that are being acted out as alternate personalities. for example a friend as an alternate personality cannot type on a computer because computers were not invented until she was an adult. Another person I know can't use cell phones when she is alternate personalities because the type of cell phones that they have today are not like the ones that they had 20 years ago during the time that she was being abuse and using dissociation to excape her abusers while being abused. Email: katherinemanne@hotmail.com
Katherine Jun 30th, 2007 - 5:18 PM	Re: Symptoms this is why people who have DID experience something that is called time loss. A time loss is having a space of time that there is no memory of what happened. they don't know what happened because 2 or more distinct personalities were in control. Having time loss is like watching tv one second and the next you are playing basketball with your friends an hour,or day, or week, or month, or years later but to you it doesn't feel like any time has passed. its just watching tv and the next you are playing basketball. There is no fear or pain in this switch its like snapping your fingers.. watching tv snap throwing the basketball into the basket. Sometimes when this happens the person will stop what they are doing and think what am I doing playing basketball I should be watching tv, what happened? THEN they get scared because they can't remember what went on between the watching tv and throwing that basketball. but the action of having a time switch does not have any pain and so on with it. in fact most people after the time loss are very calm and relaxed not paniced and afraid because they were dissociated - they were daydreaming that they were floating or daydreaming that they were in someplace safe. Email: katherinemanne@hotmail.com
Katherine Jun 30th, 2007 - 5:46 PM	Re: Symptoms The headaches too for DID are a special kind of headache. they are not the normal stress headaches that people get when they are tired or have been working hard. This kind of headache actually goes away in just a few minutes when the person with dID is no longer dissociated. This kind of headache usually doesn't bother people with dID too much because its there and then gone. Remember that the brain unconsciously takes care of heart beat and breathing rate. well other things change in a persons body as they grow. a 5 year olds chemicals in their brain that helps the brain work like dopamine and so on is not the same level that you as a 16 year old has. Yours are more or less of that of a 5 year old normally has. Its like going to the doctors and getting a blood test to find out if your iron is low and that means you are anemic or if your iron level is normal you are not anemic. if your sugar level is low you are diabetic.. well the whole boy chemicals, vitamins and minerals change as a person grows. sometimes they have more sometimes less sometimes they are normal. when a person dissociates they are going from how they are now blood counts, chemical, vitamins and minerals to what they were when those unconscious memories were stored that they are acting out, and then when they are no longer dissociated into being an alternate personality they return back to the blood counts, chemicals, vitamins and minerals levels that they normally are. this changing from present levels to the unconscious memory levels to present levels again causes a sslight headache and foggy feeling. but once all levels are back to normal which only takes a matter of second like when you touch something hot your brain really quickly makes you pull your hand away its that fast. usually just as fast as people with DID feel the headache its gone again. there are other symptoms and requirements for having DID most of which are not told to people until after they have been tested and diagnosed as being DID and must work on special things to take care of these symptoms and problems. Alot of symptoms and problems that DID people have are not talked about with the person until after they have been tested and diagnosed with having DID because there are people who sometimes like to pretend they have DID when they don't you know like when your friends want to be like you or like other friends. If one friend wants to go to a movie another friend wants to see that same movie, a friend gets the newest computer game and another friend buys it because their friend had it. Well there are people just like that, that like to copy being sick for attention and stuff when they really arent. and so therapists, psychiatrists and psychologists don't talk about the symptoms and problems that they keep to themselves so that they know who really has DID and who is pretending to be DID. You can find out if you are DID by seeing a psychiatrist and doing lots of tests called a comprehensive psychological test with suplimental testing for DID. Some of the tests are like what you do in school - math science, geography, health, social studys, history, some is talking about you and your family, and answering questions that the psychiatrist asks you, and some are computerized true and false and multiple choice, and some are where you have to draw what the psychiatrist asks you to draw (simple things like draw a tree, draw your family, draw a dog...) and some are looking at pictures telling stories about those pictures. The test is really long and sometimes takes two weeks or more to do especially if the person is DID because they want to test you the way you are now not the you when you are an alter. You can find examples of some of these tests on line but they are not the exact ones that they give because the actual tests are changed alot so people cant just copy from their friends and stuff like new tests are made every 6 months for some and every year for others. Email: katherinemanne@hotmail.com

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