LORD would not do things without giving reasons : death of all Mayans

By



Wu Siu Yan



17 August 2002

David

David killed Uriah. Before LORD punished David, LORD spoke to David (through prophet Nathan),

LORD : "Why have you despised the word of the LORD, to do what is evil in his sight? You have smitten Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and have taken his wife to be your wife, and have slain him with the sword of the Ammonites. ..." [2 Samuel 12:7-12]

Solomon

Solomon sinned. But before LORD took away the major part of his kingdom, LORD spoke to him,

LORD : "Since this has been your mind and you have not kept my covenant and my statutes which I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom from you and will give it to your servant. ...." [1 Kings 11:11-13]

LORD spoke more about the sins of Solomon when He chose Jeroboam as king,

LORD to Jeroboam: "Behold, I am about to tear the kingdom from the hand of Solomon, and will give you ten tribes (but he shall have one tribe, for the sake of my servant David and for the sake of Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel), because he has forsaken me, and worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of Moab, and Milcom the god of the Ammonites, and has not walked in my ways, doing what is right in my sight and keeping my statutes and my ordinances, as David his father did. ... " [1 Kings 11:31-39]

Before LORD punished Damascus, Gaza, Tyre, Edom, Ammon, Moab, Judah, ... LORD gave the reasons,

LORD : "For three transgressions of Damascus, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." "For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." "For three transgressions of Tyre, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." "For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." "For three transgressions of Ammonites, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." "For three transgressions of Moab, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." "For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment; because ...." [Amos 1,2]

Is it possible that LORD destroyed all the Mayans from off the face of America without leaving any record as to the reasons why He destroyed them, in the whole history of human existence ?

The Mayans had a short existence, from 600 B.C. to 420 A.D., and they did record the happenings by engraving onto brass/gold plates.

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  Link to Maya Map, Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico
  
  




• Link to a website of many photos of Maya relics. Download will take some time because the photos are many, therefore be patient.
  
  

Moreover, there are many TV documentaries about Maya relics, also websites about Maya, where you can get a glance of their past. There are even arranged tours to the relics in Mexico !

I AM NOT A MORMON. I AM AGAINST THE PRACTICES OF THE MORMON CHURCH. But as I have read over the Book of Mormon 5 times (I have read over the Bible many times that I cannot remember the number), and have watched quite a number of TV programs about Maya relics and have seen photos, I say, before the Almighty GOD who created me, that I think the Book of Mormon is a true historical record of the Mayans for the period 600 B.C. to 420 A.D.

Part of the Maya record was found by Joseph Smith, founder of Mormon Church. Unfortunately, he and Brigham Young, second president of Mormon Church, introduced many abominable practices and even devilish precepts that the whole world forsake the Book of Mormon.

An Allegory The wrong doings of Joseph Smith (founder of Mormon Church) should not make the Maya history false (Note : The following is taken from my previous post in my FORUM.) Hi XXXX, Let me put it this way. Suppose Confucius buried his writing "Analect of Confucius" under the ground, and many years later, an American found that out. And suppose he had talents to read Chinese character, and he translated it into English, and also established an organization, called "Confucius Organization" in USA. But because he was tempted into sin and fell later in his life, he introduced many devilish precepts into his "Confucius Organization". Question : will that falsify Confucius "Analect of Confucius" ? When we investigate whether "Confucism" is true or false, shall we read the writings of that American or shall we read Confucius book direct ? Wu Siu Yan

Therefore, it is my sincere wish that you read the First Chapter of Book of Mormon online first, before deciding whether you wish to download the whole book. After that, you may compare the descriptions in the book with the documentaries and the photos to see if they correlate or not.

WARNING : I recommend the Book of Mormon, not the Mormon Church, you join the Mormon Church at your own risk, I am free of your blood.

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JUST AS THE BIBLE RECORD DOWN THE DEALINGS OF LORD WITH THE ISRAELITES, AND THAT THE BIBLE, AS A HISTORICAL RECORD, IS OF IMMENSE IMPORTANCE TO US, SO IS THE BOOK OF MORMON, WHICH RECORDED DOWN THE DEALINGS OF LORD WITH THE MAYANS. IN BOTH THE BIBLE AND THE BOOK OF MORMON IS THE MESSAGE,

KEEP THE LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS => BLESSING



BREAK THE LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS => CURSE

MOREOVER, THIS MESSAGE IS A SOLEMN WARNING FROM LORD.

Jesus : Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. [Mt 26:41] Jesus : But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, ... [Mt 24:36-39]

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The Hawaiians, the Polynesians, the Maoris (New Zealand), the Australia Aborigines, are all descendants of Mayans. Click to see the reasons why I came to this conclusion.

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(*) Law of GOD and His Commandments



(*) Jesus' Sermon on the Mount



(*) Other Teachings of Jesus



(*) Hymn loved by Chinese



(*) Online Bible



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Some Questions on Book of Mormon

By



Wu Siu Yan



12 Sept 2002

(Note : I received an email on Book of Mormon raising several questions, here are my views, with slight modifications to my original reply.)

Notes : JS -- Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon and founded the Mormon Church. BOM -- Book of Mormon David Whitmer -- David Whitmer was one of the three witnesses who saw the Mayan plates from which translation was made. He was expelled from the Church JS founded, and he wrote a book at his old age, called "An Address to all Believers in Christ, in which he talked about many things worth our attention.

Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by putting a stone in his hat, and he looked at one Maya Hieroglyph, then he looked into the stone in his hat and he would see the translation in the stone, then he dictated that to a person who wrote it down. IT SEEMS INCREDIBLE.

JS translated the book through a stone. This may be hard to comprehend -- how could messages appear in the stone ? There was no one in the whole world who could read Maya hieroglyphs at that time, because that was in the years 1820s, although today people can decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs and (partly) Maya Hieroglyphs. Therefore if LORD was to reveal the history of the Mayans to us in 1820s, LORD must work it through a miracle. Therefore LORD translated the BOM for JS and shown to him the messages in a stone. Because of this, and because of the fact that Maya hieroglyph is an improvement of Egyptian hieroglyph, JS was able to read Egyptian Hieroglyphs after that. JS wrote a book "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" (not strictly a book, just some notes which he dictated to his friends) which you may obtain from Lighthouse Ministry of Utah, an organization that publicizes the wrongs of LDS. (Click for "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" a book by JS at Lighthouse Ministry of Utah)

Many people have written books saying that the Mormons were wrong.

David Whitmer also wrote a book, in his old age, "An Address to all Believers in Christ" which spoke against the wrongs of LDS and the wrongs of JS. But also gave an accurate information from the person close to JS from the very beginning on BOM.

BOM copied from The Book of Isaiah

BOM has many authors, it is a collection of many small books like that of the Bible. Why did some authors repeat part of the Book of Isaiah ? It was because the authors loved the meekness and lowliness of Jesus as revealed in the Book of Isaiah, and he wanted his descendants to pattern after the meekness and gentleness of Jesus, that he repeated part of Isaiah that talked about Jesus. As for the Book of Malachi, it was added near the end of BOM, and you will know the reason why the author included that if you read the BOM. Incidentally, descendants of Mayans are still in the world today -- they are the native Hawaiians, Maoris of New Zealand, Aborigines of Australia, Polynesians. They are very gentle and meek even today, because their forefathers had the wisdom to teach them about Jesus through the book of Isaiah. For example, one of the authors of BOM included [Isaiah 50] in BOM, [Is 50:4-9] The LORD GOD has given me the tongue of those who are taught, that I may know how to sustain with a word him that is weary. Morning by morning he wakens, he wakens my ear, to hear as those who are taught. The LORD GOD has opened my ear, and I was not rebellious, I turned not backward. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to those who pulled out the beard; I hid not my face from shame and spitting. For the LORD GOD helps me; therefore I have not been confounded; therefore I have set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame; he who vindicates me is near. Who will contend with me ? Let him come near to me. Behold, the LORD GOD helps me; who will declare me guilty? Behold, all of them will wear out like a garment; the moth will eat them up.

BOM copied from [1 Corinthians 13:4-7], Paul's precept of LOVE

Meaning of love, as expounded by Paul in [Corinthians], was arrived at INDEPENDENTLY by some Mayans, it was not that they had the New Testament, and copied that into BOM. They just perceived the meaning of Love through the Spirit of TRUTH (Holy Spirit). LORD GOD revealed the meaning of love to them as He did to brother Paul.

BOM copied from The Gospel of Matthew

They never included Matthew in BOM. LORD GOD revealed the coming of Jesus (through virgin Mary), his life, his 12 disciples, 600 years before Jesus was born, to the authors of BOM! LORD GOD revealed the coming of Jesus through Isaiah, why couldn't he revealed more to others years before Jesus was born ? The authors of BOM included that revelation 600 years before Jesus was born, and how accurate was the revelation confirmed by facts.

My dear sister, if you take me as a brother (kindly listen to some hymns I prepared to get some of my inner feelings, songs are best in conveying sentiments,

[Click to hear some hymns I prepared]

). Please do this as a favor to me, read the first Chapter of BOM. If you are not convinced after reading that, then throw the BOM away forever.

Peace be to you.

Brother in Christ,



Wu Siu Yan

P.S. I have written a webpage especially for servants of LORD, kindly click and read it





"I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell." ~ Nephi

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(*) Gutenberg Project - where many books may be downloaded, including The Book of Mormon

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(*) Law of GOD and His Commandments



(*) Jesus' Sermon on the Mount



(*) Other Teachings of Jesus



(*) Hymn loved by Chinese



(*)

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The following is my response to a Christian who says that we should not add to, nor take away LORD's Laws/Commandments. He especially quoted [Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Prov. 30:5,6; Rev.


22:18,19; Gal. 1:8; Heb. 1:1-2].




The following is my reply, posted to that talk-group. But I think many Christians have the same question, so I repeat it in this Forum.




Wu Siu Yan








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Hi XXXX,




I totally agree with you that we should not add to the "Teachings and Laws and Commandments" of LORD and of Jesus in the Bible.




But does it mean we should reject all "histories", especially the histories of the lost tribes of Israel ?




If your answer is Yes, then I would suggest you read my webpage on LOGIC,




http://admiralty.pacific.net.hk/~sywu/Logic_content.htm




Except the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, who returned when King Cyprus gave the order to rebuild Jerusalem, (they had been carried captive to Babylon by King Nebuchadnezzar), ALL other tribes were lost (King of Assyria carried them away before king of Babylon). No one know where they have gone, where they are today.




Are the lost tribes all extinct now ? I don't think so. LORD's promise to Abraham will not fail. Judah and Benjamin were dispersed for 1940 years, and today they are the nation of Israel.




The Israelites held highly their culture. They cherished their history. And sure they would write down their histories after the dispersion.




Now we have the history of a branch of the tribe of Joseph. Lehi emigrated to America in 600 B.C. on command of LORD, and his descendants were the Mayans. The Mayans were destroyed as a nation in around 420 A.D., but they buried their history onto the ground. LORD GOD directed JS to take it out from the ground and translated that history, and that is the BOM.




Say, sometimes in the future, the histories of




Reuben


Simeon


Levi


Naphtali


Gad


Asher


Issachar


Zebulun


Joseph




appear, are you to reject them all because LORD said that we should not add to, nor take away, his teachings/laws/commandments ?




The most important question to ask is : whether BOM has introduced any devilish teachings, any new teachings contrary to the teachings of LORD/Jesus in the Bible ?




I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ANY NEW TEACHING, ANY DEVILISH TEACHINGS IN THE BOM WHICH ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE TEACHINGS OF LORD/JESUS IN THE BIBLE. DARE YOU ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE ?




First of all, I must say again I am not a Mormon. I said this before, but I don't know if you have read it.




I am a firm believer of LORD/Jesus, and of the Bible, a Christian resolute in keeping the teachings of LORD and of Jesus. The purpose that I am here is the same as you -- try to help some Mormons. But I have done my homework carefully before I jump in this talkgroup, and you haven't -- I have read over the BOM cover to cover several times.




Regards,




Wu Siu Yan




P.S. JS has written a book, called "Doctrines and Covenants". I rejected that book because there are things in that book contrary to that in the Bible. But I accept BOM because I found no teachings contrary to those of LORD and of Jesus.




LDS has other books, e.g. Book of Jasher, which I rejected on similar grounds.




I hope you would read BOM cover to cover first. If you stubbornly refuse to do so, and argue out of in-complete knowledge, then I will not make reply.








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First Chapter of Book of Mormon




http://balder.prohosting.com/sywu/nephiA.htm




Book of Mormon Download from Gutenberg Project




http://www.promo.net/pg




Quran download




http://www.jannah.com/download/articles/quran.html




Analects of Confucius




http://www.isop.ucla.edu/eas/documents/lunyuCh1.htm




David Whitmer's "An Address to All Believers in Christ"




http://www.greaterthings.com/Topical/DavidWhitmer.htm




The book by John Whitmer




http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Early-Saints/JWhitmer-history.html




Autobiography of John D. Lee




http://antimormon.8m.com/leeindex.html




Law of GOD and His Commandments




http://balder.prohosting.com/sywu/true.htm




Main Teachings of Jesus -- 'Sermon on the Mount'




http://balder.prohosting.com/sywu/jesus.htm




Other Teachings of Jesus




http://balder.prohosting.com/sywu/ModelJesus1.htm




Hymn loved by Chinese




http://balder.prohosting.com/sywu/hymn.htm




Online Bible




http://www.cforc.com/kjv/index.html




My homepage




http://balder.prohosting.com/sywu/


http://admiralty.pacific.net.hk/~sywu

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Replying to:

Some Questions on Book of Mormon

By



Wu Siu Yan



12 Sept 2002

(Note : I received an email on Book of Mormon raising several questions, here are my views, with slight modifications to my original reply.)

Notes : JS -- Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon and founded the Mormon Church. BOM -- Book of Mormon David Whitmer -- David Whitmer was one of the three witnesses who saw the Mayan plates from which translation was made. He was expelled from the Church JS founded, and he wrote a book at his old age, called "An Address to all Believers in Christ, in which he talked about many things worth our attention.

Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by putting a stone in his hat, and he looked at one Maya Hieroglyph, then he looked into the stone in his hat and he would see the translation in the stone, then he dictated that to a person who wrote it down. IT SEEMS INCREDIBLE.

JS translated the book through a stone. This may be hard to comprehend -- how could messages appear in the stone ? There was no one in the whole world who could read Maya hieroglyphs at that time, because that was in the years 1820s, although today people can decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs and (partly) Maya Hieroglyphs. Therefore if LORD was to reveal the history of the Mayans to us in 1820s, LORD must work it through a miracle. Therefore LORD translated the BOM for JS and shown to him the messages in a stone. Because of this, and because of the fact that Maya hieroglyph is an improvement of Egyptian hieroglyph, JS was able to read Egyptian Hieroglyphs after that. JS wrote a book "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" (not strictly a book, just some notes which he dictated to his friends) which you may obtain from Lighthouse Ministry of Utah, an organization that publicizes the wrongs of LDS. (Click for "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar" a book by JS at Lighthouse Ministry of Utah)

Many people have written books saying that the Mormons were wrong.

David Whitmer also wrote a book, in his old age, "An Address to all Believers in Christ" which spoke against the wrongs of LDS and the wrongs of JS. But also gave an accurate information from the person close to JS from the very beginning on BOM.

BOM copied from The Book of Isaiah

BOM has many authors, it is a collection of many small books like that of the Bible. Why did some authors repeat part of the Book of Isaiah ? It was because the authors loved the meekness and lowliness of Jesus as revealed in the Book of Isaiah, and he wanted his descendants to pattern after the meekness and gentleness of Jesus, that he repeated part of Isaiah that talked about Jesus. As for the Book of Malachi, it was added near the end of BOM, and you will know the reason why the author included that if you read the BOM. Incidentally, descendants of Mayans are still in the world today -- they are the native Hawaiians, Maoris of New Zealand, Aborigines of Australia, Polynesians. They are very gentle and meek even today, because their forefathers had the wisdom to teach them about Jesus through the book of Isaiah. For example, one of the authors of BOM included [Isaiah 50] in BOM, [Is 50:4-9] The LORD GOD has given me the tongue of those who are taught, that I may know how to sustain with a word him that is weary. Morning by morning he wakens, he wakens my ear, to hear as those who are taught. The LORD GOD has opened my ear, and I was not rebellious, I turned not backward. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to those who pulled out the beard; I hid not my face from shame and spitting. For the LORD GOD helps me; therefore I have not been confounded; therefore I have set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame; he who vindicates me is near. Who will contend with me ? Let him come near to me. Behold, the LORD GOD helps me; who will declare me guilty? Behold, all of them will wear out like a garment; the moth will eat them up.

BOM copied from [1 Corinthians 13:4-7], Paul's precept of LOVE

Meaning of love, as expounded by Paul in [Corinthians], was arrived at INDEPENDENTLY by some Mayans, it was not that they had the New Testament, and copied that into BOM. They just perceived the meaning of Love through the Spirit of TRUTH (Holy Spirit). LORD GOD revealed the meaning of love to them as He did to brother Paul.

BOM copied from The Gospel of Matthew

They never included Matthew in BOM. LORD GOD revealed the coming of Jesus (through virgin Mary), his life, his 12 disciples, 600 years before Jesus was born, to the authors of BOM! LORD GOD revealed the coming of Jesus through Isaiah, why couldn't he revealed more to others years before Jesus was born ? The authors of BOM included that revelation 600 years before Jesus was born, and how accurate was the revelation confirmed by facts.

My dear sister, if you take me as a brother (kindly listen to some hymns I prepared to get some of my inner feelings, songs are best in conveying sentiments,

[Click to hear some hymns I prepared]

). Please do this as a favor to me, read the first Chapter of BOM. If you are not convinced after reading that, then throw the BOM away forever.

Peace be to you.

Brother in Christ,



Wu Siu Yan

P.S. I have written a webpage especially for servants of LORD, kindly click and read it





"I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell." ~ Nephi

---

(*) Gutenberg Project - where many books may be downloaded, including The Book of Mormon

---

(*) Law of GOD and His Commandments



(*) Jesus' Sermon on the Mount



(*) Other Teachings of Jesus



(*) Hymn loved by Chinese



(*)

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