Hi Jerry, I can see how a jungian would wrestle with this tech/psych enterprise. Jung so often reminds his reader that all his work has been based on observation, a precondition for scientific endeavor. As you know, he considered the dream an independent phenomenon, just like any organism, and just as observable as an ant colony. I can see the overlap of knowledge that would cause neuroscience to look into depression. I don't know how they intend to isolate it or measure it or quantify it, since there is no physical material there. I suppose they have some insight into psychology when they look at which part of the brain or body lights up with a certain emotion. Apparently they are incapable of the conception that the dream itself is an observable phenomenon. It seems that if they intent to cure depression on a materialistic level that history shows they will have mixed results, and if they intend to cure it on a psychical level, they will find that, alas, they were only a hundred years behind jung, and that unfortunately, it appears that it was not met with anything like wide approval by western society by and large. Just a couple thoughts, thanks Jerry

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Hi Jerry, I have the feeling that my comments had a certain unsavory taste, something I have a predilection for and am often weak in overcoming. I also did not account for the great scientific discovery of serotonin levels influencing or being influenced by emotions or mood. I think it's properly not really my distaste for neuro-psychology or the like, as much as it is how much I am caught up in and awestruck by jung's vision. I recently re-read answer to job over the holidays, in which he mentions that an archetype can take such a hold of a person, that it can determine their life down to the smallest detail. I can't say that is entirely the case with me, but there has been no stronger influence on my life, as far as I can tell, than jung. I honor science for answering the call for help with the human soul, and perhaps they have a new chance at soon bringing the feminine element back to us. The unified theory, I can't help but think is somehow a false premise. But that aside even jung of all people described himself as a thorough empiricist. So there is hope for science. The demands of modern life are great indeed, it is no small task to meet them, not to mention meanwhile constructing a soul, especially with the misfortunes of the last few years. It seems I have never seen the opposites in such glorious conflict, as they are between men today. while inside, a courteous request. great is the way.

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I didn't take anything about your comments as being unsavory. I welcome your input. I don't always respond in a timely manner to posts, especially recently. As you may have read I am looking toward to early retirement and relocating to Melbourne, Fl. Between the demands of having to manage our fence business here in Middle Tennessee {my son also has the business in Orlando} and preparing for my move it sometimes takes a little while to focus on the Forum. Plus I am in the process of building a new web site for my move to Melbourne, the focus of that site on dreams and metaphysics. I have a great part of it already constructed and have purchased the domain name {www.melfla.com}. I have yet registered with a hosting company and so for the time being I have it parked in my Myths-Dreams-Symbols domain. For a sneak preview go here. There are changes that will be made to it but the format seems to be ready.

As for the sometimes seemingly competing science of neurology. It could be a thorn in the side of Jungian psyche if it weren't for the fact it tends to verify his concepts. I tried to stay informed with all related sciences that have to do with the psyche and I have yet to see any {other than outright bias toward Jung} that contradicts his body of work. Just the opposite. Most verify or at least in some gesture support his theories. My interest in the film {I unintentionally listed the wrong video in my original post. The link is here Why Do We Dream?} comes from the stages of dreams and how the symbolic interpretations compare to the more recent 'literal' aspects of the dream structure. This is still new science and although I am a mere layman in any science to do with anything I have my thoughts. An interesting subject to be pondered for the future.

Your comments have legitimacy as anyone who posts at the Forum. Never feel that your true self is not accepted. Self expression is an outlet and to be your true self is an expression of that self. We all have varying aspects, some we sometimes may think should not be revealed. But seeing the words written for seeing sometimes helps in understanding that true being. Your comments, savory or not, are always welcome.

Jerry

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Whoops! I wrongly listed the wrong video. The correct viedo is Why Do We Dream?.

Jerry

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