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This is a dream I had recently that I completely forgot about! I feel that it was very symbolic but am not entirely sure how. It's sort of strange/disturbing so sorry for that :/

In the dream I had 9 siblings. (In reality I only have 5) I had 5 younger sisters and 4 younger brothers. Our house was always very noisy, busy and stressful, and my mom always looked as though she was going to fall apart at any minute. At one point I saw her go into the bathroom and heard the water running so I was afraid she was drowning herself in the bathtub so I was banging on the door pleading to be let in. Instead my dad opened the door and was angry at me for "disrupting my mom's quiet time," turns out she was just taking a bath to get some peace. Then things started going really bad. My 3 youngest sisters were the first ones to die, aged 1, 2 and 3. They were climbing on the stair bannister because no one was supervising them and they fell from the second floor. A few months later my four year old brother and sisters were kidnapped and sold into a child pornography ring. We never saw them again. Some time after that, my 9 year old brother was also kidnapped, raped and found dead. After that it was just me and my 12 year old and 15 year old brothers left. Our house had become eerily quiet, and my parents were depressed. My brothers and I decided that we would travel back in time and save all our younger siblings and make things right again.

We made it back in time. First we caught my little sisters before they fell off the bannister and we had safety rails put up to make sure it couldn't happen ever again. Then we did research to find out who the child porn ring kidnappers were and discovered it was 2 school bus drivers. We spied on them and found out when they were coming, then waited for them and called the police when they got there, saving my siblings. Then we had to find out who the murderer of our 9 year old brother was, so we dug around and discovered it was an online predator who was pretending to be a fan of my brother's youtube videos that we didn't know he had made. We saw that he and my brother had made plans to meet up so we intercepted him. He said he wasn't going to try anything when we caught him but we knew the truth. He looked like a stereotypical pedophile. Then it got really weird because I ended up getting into a relationship with him....and anytime we did anything sexual he made me dress up like a little girl....I have absolutely no idea why I started dating the man who would have raped and murdered my little brother but I did. Other than that the dream ended really well, because we had saved all my siblings and family life was normal again. Hectic, but happy.

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Re: Time Travel

Ok now a quick interpretation because I don't have that much time before class starts! I realized the hectic household as an exact parallel to my own home life, crazy and overly stressful. My worries for my mom were also echoed in the dream. The only other thing that I got out of the dream was that I realized that even though my house felt nuts and overwhelming with so many young children, I knew how depressing and empty it would feel if they weren't there. So in a way the dream taught me a lesson. The part that I'm not sure about is the part with the extra little siblings (the 1, 2 and 3 year old sisters as well as the 4 year old brother do not exist in reality, so I'm sure they must be symbolic). I don't really remember the early years of my life though so I can't really speak for what those ages might represent. I remember age 4 but that was probably the happiest time of my life, with preschool and whatnot. So I don't really understand all of their deaths. The dating my brother's murderer thing was equally baffling, and even sickening to me. I'm sorry I can't be of more help on this dream, but even looking back on it I really don't know more than I knew at the time of having it :/

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Re: Time Travel

Anna,
I'll give a response to your dream Sunday. I have 4 workshops scheduled tomorrow and Saturday and have been working on those all week. I will have those behind me on Sunday.

Jerry

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Sorry for taking so long to respond. Had the workshop this past weekend and spent a lot of time putting my presentation together. It was an experience reminiscent of the 60's 'hippie' generation. Long hair, old clothing, bare breasted girls {most who attended were in their late teens/early 20s}, a similar attitude of peace and spirit and even an occasional whiff of pot. The only difference was this generation is so material oriented with their expensive tents to sleep in and their Iphones. I dare say they will sell out to the 'social dragon', as did my 60s generation, both 'hippies' and the normal types.

As for this dream. The sibling characterization seems to lead credibility to my analysis in your other posted dream. As do the references to the 'nutty' and overly stressful home life. I believe many of your dreams are in part addressing these same issues. The fact there was a 'fear' within the dream your mother was going to 'drown' herself would probably represent a real concern over his emotional status {but necessarily areal fear of her hurting herself, which is also stated in the dream-you were merely disturbing her quiet time}. Your dad's angry response may have a place within your actual conscious life also.

But looking the dream in terms of the symbols addressing your emotional being, the mother would be you and the siblings the responsibilities that have been placed on you {surrogate mothering}. This has caused a very stressful life for you. Since this is how the dream begins, pointing to the stressful atmosphere, this would be the primary theme of the dream, reflecting your true waking life.

As for the numbers. The number nine in 'Jungian' speak is symbolic of the feminine. The number 5 is symbolic of change {as well as reflective of the actual number of siblings you have}. The number 4 is symbolic of wholeness and to experience wholeness you need to change the emotional atmosphere you are under. You as mother are 'drowning' in emotional stress. Your dad could represent your animus, those masculine aspects that tell you not to let things bother you and because you do {naturally} you are angry at yourself. Your unconscious self is 'banging' to let yourself experience peace which, under the circumstances you can not.

Then there is a turn of events {a different stage of the dream}>. Things get worse. The 3 younger sisters would be parts of yourself, something that occurs in ordered succession {1,2,3}. This may match structured events in your waking life. A banister is a 'structure' that supports your need to get away from a lack of actual 'supervision' by your real parents. The second floor would represent your personality {the first floor is your personal unconscious while the deepest level of the house would be the collective unconscious}. You have to 'fall back' on your strong personality to sustain you. Also, the number 3 is one short of the number 4 which suggests although you are 'coping' consciously in life, unconsciously the pressures and stresses are keeping you from being whole.

Look at this part also and see what experiences during the time you had the dream were occurring, especially any changes that may have occurred.

The next actions involve 5 children {4 year old brother and sister, 9 year old brother, and 12 & 15 year old brothers}. That matches the actual number of siblings you have {5}. Does it match their actual gender {4 brothers and a sister?}. The numbers may also reflect ages where you experienced something important to your psyche. Dreams have an uncanny way of using numbers but the use is important.

The actual actions that happen to your siblings in the dream. The two younger siblings were 'kidnapped' {something stolen} and sold into a child pornography ring. That could indicate at an early age 'you' had some aspect of your personal growth affected/stolen and that is gone forever {it affected in such a strong manner}. The pornography could symbolize 'seeing' something of a sexual nature as a 'child'. And/or it could have to do with power and control.

Then the 9 year old brother was kidnapped. Again something was stolen {to do with masculine aspects, or/and an actual experience with a male} and may have happened when you were nine. Some aspect of your personality/personal growth may have been violated {raped} and that changed you {death}.

Then the older brothers 'leave' {12 and 15}. Those ages may have to do with something that occurred when you were those ages, again to do with the 'masculine'.

The house is you and you {personality?} have become eerily quiet. Your parents could be a reference to your actual parents and feelings toward them may be 'depressing'. The thought, the wish, would be to go back in time and change all of these experiences.

Because this is such a long analysis and is a lot for you to consume, let me get your response before analyzing the rest of the dream. If you will go over all i state and be specific in your response. We may be seeing some important realizations from this dream and knowing what is true will be important. After your response I will dissect the rest of the dream and see how that plays out.

Jerry

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Haha that sounds crazy! Oh new age people. Whatcha gonna do. I hope you had a good time at least!

Ok I guess I'll try to address things in order. First my mom. For a long time I was really worried about my mom because she always seemed so stressed out, like she was going to snap at any moment. I'm really sensitive to other people and their emotions so her anxiety would always rub off on me. And then she would say things like "If I have to do one more thing I'll blow my head off" and even though she was joking I hated it when she said that. I guess I just worry about my mom a lot.However I can also see how it would be me as well, drowning under everything. When I had this dream I was drowning in stress, as I was until I came to college and got to sort of escape it all. (I am much happier now I must report)I definitely agree with the message that I needed to escape that environment to feel whole again. I always felt like I was torn between all my responsibilities at home, I had no time for me.

I don't remember any specific events that were going on that happened in numerical order.....maybe something to do with moving, readjusting, then prepping for college and a new life? I was incredibly stressed out and anxious as well as excited before I came here. Also I am very aware that in real life I am coping while inwardly I am a mess. Not only because of my emotions but the vivid dreams I've been having as well, most unpleasant. I had this dream before I came to college, but phew every night I've been here I have had an intense dream. I was working on analyzing one of them during class today actually and think I came up pretty successful haha.

I have 3 younger brothers and 2 younger sisters. My brothers are 15, 12, and 9. My sisters are both 4. I have to admit that pretty enormously significant things happened to me during all those years of my life. Age 9 I went through a sort of sexual revolution I guess you could say and was exploring everything. I'd play games with my friends and looked at all kinds of porn (probably scarred me for life) and all that jazz. I was incredibly mischievous at this age, as it was also when I was experiencing with curse words and whatnot. I was a tomboy and was also sort of picked on in school for it, though it didn't really bother me. It was just a weird time. Age 12 was my preteen years, which were unbelievably awful. I was depressed, painfully shy, and just all around a mess. I don't even like thinking about it. I feel like that time period in my life really affected who I was as a person, in both bad and good ways. Age 15 I came to some important realizations about myself and my mental and emotional well-being that were rather shocking and disturbing, and that cost me one of my closest friends. That whole year while being my favorite year of high school, I was not doing so hot either mentally or emotionally. So yeah now that I think about it those were all pretty significant times in my life.

As for the things having to do with stuff affecting my development when I was a kid, I guess most of the negativity (pretty much all of) the negativity in my life would have come from my dad. He was (and to a point still is) a control freak with anger issues. As I've said before he's come miles from where he was though. But it could get pretty bad back when I was young. I actually don't really have many memories of him "acting out" when I was a kid though....but then again I have a sort of rosy film over my early childhood, it just seemed so perfect to me but when I think about it and what my mom saying about my dad always being like that I realize he must have been just as terrible and I either didn't notice it or don't remember it. My adolescence is when I remember the worst, and hearing and witnessing him in all his monstrous rage and control-freakiness. It was really bad, I hated him, real hate. But I've talked about that before.

The house thing I could definitely agree with and I'm mad at myself for missing that symbol, haha. Many times I feel like a ghost of my former self, who I was before I went through that awful depression in middle school. It really broke me, I lost so much of who I was and I never really fully recovered. Many times I also think of what it would be like to be able to go back before all that, wonder what my life would be like if the depression had never happened. But I believe that that time in my life was what taught me introspection, gave me my deep sense of empathy, inspired my interest for psychology and people, and just made me a more intelligent, thoughtful and spiritual person as a whole. I wouldn't take those changes away for anything.

If there's anything else I should clarify just let me know! Some of this stuff is sort of awkward to talk about so sorry if I was vague. Ack.

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Re: Time Travel

Anna,
That was a great response. What you said fits with much of what is in the dream. The numbers especially are significant in that they are a part of the dream as well as the experiences they represent. I'll provide a more detailed response either later today or in the morning.

A question I had that you answered was if you were already at college. The fact you are having these significant dreams is understandable. You are in an entirely new environment, away from the one you have spent the past 18 years. that alone is enough to cause such dreams. The fact you are so analytical as well as sensitive {join the club-both are positives} only adds to that. The next several weeks will be especially trying because of the changes. Once you get settled in and used to a new routine things should settled down. Conscious wise as well as dream wise. The only caution I would look for is if the past family life remains a problem. It will be very hard to concentrate on your new life if the old life is still taking up too much mental energies. Of course that will be in your dreams if true. Let's hope mom and dad can manage without you. As well as your siblings.

Jerry

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Anna,
I want to focus on the numbers in this dreams for three reasons. First, the numbers pretty much correspond to both experiences in your life as well as ages of your siblings. Second, I am always interested in numbers in dreams because I believe they are important and many have a specific application/message of their own {as in your dream}. And third, just as with dreams that open with a statement of a childhood age, time frame or reference, there may be specific patterns that can be discerned when numbers are present. I have found that when there is a statement of a childhood age, time frame and/or reference in the opening of a dream {exposition} it is most always a reference to the dreamer at that age. Two examples are Grace's dream posted at the Dream Forum last week and Dr. Jean Raffa's dream for which I gave an interpretation at her Matrignosis Blog and posted at the Dream Forum. With Dr. Raffa's dream she had given her own interpretation but had not included any information about the childhood reference. This is a pattern that seems to hold true in all dreams where the childhood references appear. Whether it is a pattern that can be applied to all such dreams is a 'stretch' to suggest but from my experience thus far {I plan to review all the 3800+ posts and dreams at the forum and categorize them} there is evidence it does apply in many if not most dreams.

Let's examine the numbers in your dream, my analysis and your response. Please bear with me since there is a lot of my 'thinking' being applied to these numbers and their applications. Much of it I have stated independently in other posts but never together in one response.

Dream: In the dream I had 9 siblings. (In reality I only have 5) I had 5 younger sisters and 4 younger brothers.

My analysis: "The number nine in 'Jungian' speak is symbolic of the feminine." This application about the number nine is purely speculation on my part {Jungian speak is speaking to the number nine being a mythological application of the number} but I have it to be applicable. You are a female and doing self analysis {you have posted several dreams at the Forum and obviously self examining, even at the young age of 18}. This is in my thinking a good application of the number nine. Seeking wholeness utilizing the feminine psyche.

As for the five brothers and 4 sisters. You do in fact have 5 siblings, 3 brothers and 2 sisters. In the dream you had 2 more of each. Two is the number for opposites and/or conflict. Your responsibilities in helping raise your siblings has been a conflict your life {not to with caring about them but the responsibilities}.

My statement about the number 5 about it representing 'changes' is one I have often used in the past also. It is a fact you are currently making big changes in your life, having recently begun college and leaving home. That is a big change, a 'stage' of life change in part since it is often thought of {or was when I was growing up} as the age you leave home to be on your own.

The number 4 in Jungian psyche is the number for wholeness. The changes in life you have undertaken are changes you have been looking forward to for some time {something we have discussed in other posts}. You have had your sights on the future for a good while now {another topic of discussion in our posts}. By going to college you have begun a life toward fulfillment, a step toward wholeness.

Summary of the 9 siblings. You have 5 siblings in reality. 5 is the number for change, 4 the number for wholeness. Opposing aspects is 2, on both ends {masculine and feminine}. Nine is the power of the feminine, your psyche, your power to persevere despite all the conflicts you have endured in your life {the many 'changes' you have had to make]. 5+4=9. The dream seeks to provide wholeness and in my analysis {again my speculative concept of the dream} it is the power of the feminine {spiritual/creative/growth} that allows one to reach that place in life [or as close as one can get}.

Then there is your response to do with the numbers 9 and 4 and the ages of your younger siblings. 9 is the age of your younger brother {an application symbolizing your developing masculine self-a topic we have discussed in previous dreams}. Your younger sisters are both 4 {twins?}. In your dream you have 5 younger sisters and 4 brothers. More sisters than brothers, more of the feminine power than the masculine. Perhaps a reference to the POWER of the FEMININE? Subjective and speculative I know but I am leaning toward my own concepts instead of purely Jungian. The applications of the numbers I have mentioned {4-5-9} are my standard application for them.

The number 3. In your dream the statement is, "My 3 youngest sisters were the first ones to die, aged 1, 2 and 3." In my response I asked if there were any experiences of succession of 'structured' events in your life. There were in fact three such events, in succession, at the ages 9, 12 and 15. Notice these are the ages of your 3 brothers. Whether we can match the experiences to masculine qualities is not definite but all involved significant growing experiences.

The dream actually stated the ages of your brothers so that would be 'usual'. It also used the number 4 which is the age of your sisters. I've seen this application of numbers before in dreams, correctly identifying their application to the dreamer's conscious life, but never as many applications or as clear in one dream. Seeing these numbers in your dreams, and in past experiences, there is a real possibility their application are something we can look to as a norm. Just as with the childhood 'hypothesis' I suggested in the beginning of my post.

I still have yet to analyze the last part of your Time Travel dream. I'll do that in the morning. With the added information you provided in your last post hopefully I should be able to see where the images fit.

And finally. You have had an active emotional life and being someone who early on in life has begun a self examination, you have provided much to the conversation of the dream. You would do great if you should ever decide to study Jungian psyche. Undoubtedly you will have many more emotional issues that lay ahead of you in life but if you will continue to develop your analytical skills you will be able to help yourself as well as others. I see in the near future Jungian concepts on dream interpretation being the accepted thesis in analyzing dreams. Just a few years ago an internet search on dreams would produce a lot of 'Freudian' results. Today it is already pretty much Jungian. I may be pushing it a bit but there is no doubt in my mind that anyone with an understanding of Jungian psyche {mine is pretty much intuitive} and a good intuitive mind will be able to competently interpret any dream. There is a lot of evidence here at this Dream Forum that statement is correct, my success rate interpreting dreams being pretty damn good {with the Forum I have a record to go on}. And pretty much all of the interpretations are with only a knowledge of the gender and age of the dreamer. Just think what could be done if more were known.

Jerry

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