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Hi Jerry,
In my dream I was going to an NA meeting in a Lutheran Church. I went in holding a black helmet & my kindle. It took me a moment to find the right seat, one I liked. Realizing I had those 2 items I left the meeting to put them in the car. When I exited the room there was a throng of people leaving. They were walking in a formation that was about 8 people across and the line snaked out infinitely. In other words, I could not see the end of the line of people. There were 4 doors they had to pass through and I was holding just one of them open, the rest were closed. I noticed cleric type people in robes and I said,"It would be lot easier if all four doors were open." I addressed a woman and she did not acknowledge me. I said,"I know you are silent". Then she answered me with, "That's a good idea."

I looked up and there were a bunch of monarch butterflies on the ceiling. I was amazed and excited to see them. When I told my husband about them he said, "They aren't real, see, here's some more." And they were made of paper. Back in the meeting it was boring and being run like a lecture with writing on a board, I felt that the speaker was on some ego trip, not usual for a meeting.

The next thing I see is the wall of my art studio where I hang inspirational sayings and pictures. On it was a watercolor, what appeared to be a poem on a sheet of paper and third, sheets of paper with writing on them. The wall and the 3 papers were illuminated with light coming through them.

I think I understand most of this, but would love your ideas. Thanks Jerry

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Peggy,
My sense of the dream is it is addressing an attitude that although you are consciously aware of still possesses unconscious energies that affect your attitude. It has to do with 'higher' aspects, spiritual as well as creative. The unconscious energies may be stronger than you realize. Your conscious attitude of being aware of the motivating {unconscious} energies may be a barrier to spiritual growth. 'In other words' you possess the knowledge but the ego self has limited your ability to wholly understand the influences of the unconscious energies {this would be due to life experiences/influences}. There is a the element of the 'feminine' that has been silenced {this could be emotional and/or related to personal spiritual concepts}. You may be consciously aware of this.

There is/has been one controlling agent in your life but it is not your true identity. It is an ego aspect that has been in control and you are ready to move on to higher things/aspects. It is beyond the norm of what society dictates {lecture}.

Your true self is metaphysical. Creativity, true spirituality. But there is the one barrier {one all} that prevents you from wholeness {the number 4-one wall plus 3}.

If you have an idea of what the dream is trying to communicate I believe this will help you put it all into context. Let me know what you come up with.

Jerry



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Thank you, Jerry. You've given me a lot to think about, contemplate...My dream last night seemed to repeat some of this also.

An aquaintance asked me if I would like to paint a picture of his home on Telegraph Hill. He pointed to it and it was up above the hills of San Francisco where I have lived. I said yes and we went. On one side was a lake and on the other smalls with people hanging out. In his place I walked into an all white room that was square with a mattress on the floor. He was not there so I left the room immediately. Now I think I should have stayed there. Like it was an inner sanctum/meditation room.

Ah, well, I know what to look for and ask myself about this block.

Peg

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Peggy,
I'll provide an analysis of your most recent dream in the morning. As for my latest interpretation look to deeper aspects for insights to the dream. There does seem to be 'fixed' impressions that have become motivators in later life. One possibility is previous religious indoctrination that has become a barrier to future spiritual growth. Creativity also seems to be a theme within the dream.

Jerry

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Peggy,
If you take the images and apply them as being a part of your psyche you may get a good understanding of what the dream message is. The
acquaintance is a male so it would be addressing masculine aspects {and possibly a real life male acquaintance on a personal level}. Telegraph Hill is an acceptable place for you but may also be a 'telegraph' message from the deep psyche}. It is above the rest of your 'ordinary' ego self. You have 'lived' in this place previously {a part of who you are/were}. The lake would be unconscious aspects/attitudes/emotions and opposite that 'people' outside {your ego self-smaller than the inner self}. The white room is purity and a place where you find wholeness {square/number 4}. The mattress is where you sleep and visit the unconscious self {inner sanctum}. The floor is the foundations of who you really are. The masculine aspect was not there, you left it behind and need to be in this 'inner' room {and stay there}.


On one level I see a 'spiritual' connection, the inner self, leaving the old self. You need to go above the ordinary self and reach the higher Self. There also seems to be that possible creative aspect of painting a picture. But that could be pointing to the true Self which is spirit and creative.

There may also be a personal experience related to the dream images {all dreams/images have at least two interpretations/applications}. Only you will be able to discern what that might be. But it would be in relationship to this deeper aspect.

Note. Originally the 'two' of you went to the Hill. In the deeper aspect the dream may be saying you need to leave the masculine behind and follow the feminine. On a personal level there would have been an experience related to the same application.

Look forward to your thoughts

Jerry

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Very helpful, Jerry. The most important is the direction towards the feminine. The dream now makes a great deal of sense to me. I believe the acquaintance was a shepherd type. And Telegraph Hill was what I saw outside my window in SF with Coit Tower on top of it. I read somewhere recently that those who live in the mountains are not aware they are at such a height. So the dreams are very affirming for me for what I am currently practicing in my life. And perhaps I am moving from one stage to the next! I guess we always are, but I do have a sense of expansion and so appreciate your insight to help clarify what my unconscious is telling me.

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Peggy,
I agree, the dream does seem to be pointing to 'greater heights' in your life. Something that is positive {I sensed Telegraph Hill as being a positive impression in your life}. As for your statement about the continuous moving from on stage to the next. That is a truth we can discern from Campbell's Monomyth where at each stage we often encounter the same repeating encounters. A constant evolution involving many of the same patterns at each stage.

There is one aspect of the dream that seems to represent a barrier. The dream sentence, "it would be lot easier if all four doors were open." The feminine aspect is silent on this which may suggest the masculine is the cause. Because the dream did open with, "I was going to an NA meeting in a Lutheran Church", there may be associations to the 'addictions' of the patriarchal church {your inner church as well}. Or something similar. Also your statement in your response let an impression when I read it {an intuitive sense}. "I read somewhere recently that those who live in the mountains are not aware they are at such a height." Examine this and see if you find associations that may fit with your journey.

Overall the dream is very positive. Anytime you have the number 4 or its multiples {8} it is pointing to wholeness {the number 4 in Jungian psyche represent wholeness}.

Jerry

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The barrier is the journey, I believe. Last night's dream shows, I think, of what you speak: I was with a small group of people from my apt.building at the pool. We were scattering chemicals on the deck. There was a higher deck and I went to scatter the chemicals up there. Our maintenance man (who we have continuous conversations about life & spirituality in real life)said, loud & clear,"NO Peggy, do not throw the chemicals up there, I built that."

I did not know I believed the patriarch was in "control" of the higher realms. It makes sense, though. They built the church and are in charge. I have bought into this on a deeper level. The awareness of this is soooo valuable and I would say, essential to my Spiritual growth.

I see it, thank you, Jerry
Onward & Upward

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Peggy,
This dream seems to be about transformation. an important one at that.
What you have worked to achieve in your conscious life is a transformation from the expectation of following a system of patriarchy to one of balance {in your effort to achieve wholeness}. Spreading the chemicals is the process of transformation of your extended self {deck}. In summary the conscious life has been controlled by the masculine/patriarchal system you grew up with and you do not want that to extend to your higher self. What the masculine built in the conscious life {I built that} is opposite what you desire/seek as your true self. The maintenance man is the literal person on one level but also the maintaining of your path on the higher level you are the maintenance man}. Since there has been a actual conversation with the literal person, he would represent of a transformed animus, he is giving warning not to let society dictate its rules. The transformation here seems to be a realization of the old controlling masculine and replacing it with a transformed spiritual masculine. This would be a breakthrough since the dream is pronouncing a warning about the transformation. Previous dreams have not been as direct, using symbols as clues but not with the pronunciation as in this dream {as all dreams do, they reflect the life at the time of the dream}. The masculine energies of the conscious life {which were unconsciously controlling} are undergoing a transformation. Because the controlling influences are recognized and understood they no longer have the power/energies they had. In short there is a transformation of the higher masculine, an important step in the Individuation Process {something you are participating in whether you are aware or not}. This realization brings together the conscious and unconscious aspects. A very large step in your life.

Working with dreams can be a valuable tool in personal and spiritual growth. You are on a higher level of understanding than most and your dreams are reflecting this truth. They have revealed negatives energies and because you have been able to recognize this you are able to transform the negatives to the opposite, a positive. You feel as positive as you do in your conscious life because your dreams are verifying this tremendous transformation.

Now to the ever evolving next stage.

Jerry

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Jerry,
Wow, I would never have gotten any of that out of that dream. The external events that played a part are my husband has A Fib which began in March and can't do what he was doing before and I have had to take over a lot of it. It has really fed my confidence as to what I can do as an old lady. This has in turn fed my artwork and my Spirit feels larger. This is exciting and I can't tell you how grateful I am that you stuck with me through this process. I would not have recognized most of it.

Besides maintenance there is the next stage....we're never done!

Warm regards,
Peggy

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Peggy,
Always great when the dream points to the positives in the conscious life. Most often it is focused on the negative since that is what unconsciously rules the waking life. When you get to that point where the dream focuses on the positives then you know you are on the right path. Even the negatives tend to have a positive spin, a reflection of how we are consciously doing things right. When I take time to remember a dream there are past experiences that I knew were controlling but because I have worked through those issues they present themselves in a different light, more of an unconscious lesson of having learned from past experiences more so than a handicap that continues to influence the conscious life in negative ways. I do see a break through in these recent dreams. Self knowledge is one of the most powerful tools.

On the topic of art {the creative aspects}. I consider any creative activity as a spiritual endeavor. It illustrates the true being within and through our creative self we are sharing. One important lesson I learned long ago from Joseph Campbells Monomyth is when you achieve that higher place of inner knowledge, the task before you is to share what you have learned. I think of this lesson when I analyse dreams, using the inherent skills {intuitiveness-developing the skills we naturally possess} to help others realize their inner journey. A great many who visit the Dream Forum have already begun that inner search. My goal is to help point them in a direction of continued learning using Jung and Campbell {and their students and disciples} as tools of understanding. I consider myself a conduit between the difficult Jung {Jungian psyche can get really deep} and the articulate storyteller Campbell. Putting into as simple language as I can to help others understand their message. More often than not {for those like you and I who have progressed in this journey} there is an intuitive recognition of the message that fits with their journey. This shouldnt be surprising since we all are made from the same fabric and our deepest senses are ruled by the archetypes. A quote from Campbell, "Shakespeare said that art is a mirror held up to nature." And its is, a spiritual/metaphysical aspect that is transforming, the old self dies and the new self is resurrected/reborn. Gives new meaning and a shift of focus to Jesus death on the cross.

Jerry

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