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Re: Party where each person represented a different country

Underwater Rain,
First let me say the pseudonym name you use Underwater Rain is emblematic if not symbolic of the unconscious energies within your psyche. Water is a common dream symbol and always points to unconscious energies which produce conscious emotions. Underwater suggests you are very much under the influence of these energies. Rain is an out pouring of emotions. Your situation in life pretty much is unconsciously driven, not only psychologically but neurologically.

Your OCD is a neurological condition which requires medication to bring balance chemically to the brain. But the psychological conditions add to the neurological issues and both need treatment. Therapy is required but as you stated it takes two {you and the therapist} to make it work. Complete trust in the person you are working with is a must. One major difference between Freudian and Jungian clinical approach is Freud thought it important to keep a distance from his patients while Jung believed it most important to have a relationship {professional} with those he treated. The therapist is as much a part of the process as the therapy. This may be one reason you had little success with the last three therapists you worked with. The therapist must be able to get into the patient's head and see what is there. Drugs can be a part of the process but psychologically they are merely a temporary fix. Not until the unconscious issues are resolved can there be a complete healing. Getting to what is going on in the head is the major task, and obstacle in determining what energies are in control.

This is where dreams come in. Dreams are a direct link to the unconscious and are all about the emotions and the energies that support the emotions.Whereas Freudian analyst will use dreams as a secondary tool and opt for 'couch' therapy and free association. Jungians use dreams as a primary tool and encourage the patient to open up to the dream as well as the therapist. Trust is most important and Jungian therapists go to great extremes to form a bond between patient and therapist.

As for online treatment. Clinically it is not something you will find online. But technically it is available. it is what Jung called Self Individuation. Individuation is a process of transformation whereby the personal and collective unconscious are brought into consciousness {e.g., by means of dreams, active imagination} to be assimilated into the whole personality. It is a completely natural process necessary for the integration of the psyche. Self individuation is 'going it alone' in your own therapy, being the patient and the analyst. I know it can work because I have been involved in the process {successfully} for many years. It requires self education of Jungian concepts, studying his methods and philosophy to gain insights to how the psyche {mind} works. Most don't realize that his concepts are pretty much 'common sense' in they are inherent aspects of the human condition {the immune system and the dream being therapeutic tools provided by nature}. Tapping into the 'soul' is how success is found {soul in Greek means psyche which is our individual psychology}, delineating the inner personality to the conscious ego {the ego is the body and its wants/desires whereas the soul is the whole self in complete balance, not subjugated by the inferior ego self}. What is inside is the true person and what is on the outside is what the ego wants the person to believe is the true identity. Understanding the difference is not a simple as it might seem but when you take the journey inward you will find so much about yourself you never knew. The ego tries to hide this true self for selfish reasons related to an undisciplined life. That life begins in the womb and everything that comes after birth is a part of the foundations the life is built on. Overcoming those early years is basically what we all are tasked in reconciling the out of balance emotional energies.

You started with Jung's Red book. That is 'deep' stuff and takes years of study to understand much of what it contains. I suggest you use my Power of Dreams website to start your self therapy {if you are truly interested}. Start with the quick links at the top of the page and go from there. Learn about the anima/animus, the shadow and the Self. Discover how the archetypal energies play a major role in how life is lived {inherent aspects we all are born with, a pre-set of instructions that when not met leans to an out-of-balanced' psyche and emotional life}. There is so much to learn about the inner self that when you begin the journey {seriously} you find yourself in another world. This world is what comes up at night in our dreams and is a production/play/story of the dreamer's true life {including the inner secrets of the dreamer's life}. The life can never be completely whole until the unconscious life becomes conscious. Working with your dreams and self therapy is a path to wholeness, if you can survive the journey. Either die by conscious intent without ever knowing the true self, or risk survival by going inward and discovering the truths and bringing them out so you can be that true self.

Then hero in mythology is the story of the inward journey. When you go inward you become the hero in your own life.

Jerry Gifford

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Re: Party where each person represented a different country

My username is actually "Underwater Ruin," not "Rain," but I think your interpretation is interesting and applicable. :) My fascination with the ocean as a child proceeding my actual visiting the ocean when I was 12. The ocean is simultaneously heavenly and hellish. It's heavenly with it's beauty. For example, the background image on this page. It's hellish with its dark depths, but also with its great expanses with unknowns lurking beneath.

Looking at the ocean is like looking at the stars. One feels infinity.

I would like to talk with a Jungian therapist. I will investigate your Power of Dreams website.

In this video, Dr. Peterson discusses integrating the shadow: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/5sxzq2/jordan_peterson_integrating_your_shadow_self/. It is helping motivate me to do so.

He also discusses how people should burn off their deadwood on a regular basis, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44f3mxcsI50&t=1788s If you wait for your deadwood to accumulate, when it does burn, it will take a large amount, perhaps all, with you. It's better to take medicine on a regular basis than neglect oneself and become hospitalized.

This is a truly great idea: "Then hero in mythology is the story of the inward journey. When you go inward you become the hero in your own life."

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Re: Party where each person represented a different country

Ruin,
Sometimes my eyesight decides me. Ruin could be as good as rain since the unconscious motivators can lead to 'ruin' in the conscious life. Underwater would then be the unconscious energies that ruin/govern the conscious actions. We all have some type of unconscious motivators and usually they begin/come from earliest childhood. Reconciling the -ruins- is what the dream is attempting to do.

To get a full understanding of the hero read Joseph Campbell. It was his The Power of Myth series of videos {with Bill Moyers} that began my journey inward and led me to discover I was an 'intuitive Jungian'. That led to years of study of Jung and all the various philosophers and thinkers associated with the psyche {Greek for soul}. The heroes of myth are the basic patterns of human behavior seeking wholeness. Luke Skywalker seeking his father {love and acceptance} is my basic pattern. Resolving the energies related to that search is how one becomes the hero in their own life. It is a journey, psychological in nature, a search of the inner world to resolve the emotional issues experienced daily in the outer world.

Note: Much of the Campbell's interview with Moyers was filmed at George Lucas' Skywalker ranch. The Star Wars trilogy is based on Campbell's Monomyth. Lucas was a student of Campbell.

As for the Peterson video. I am not big on anything religious oriented when it comes to psychology. I have not watched to the video and it may be a good source. I tend to stay strictly with bonafide Jungian authors like Robert Johnson, James Hillman and my favorite Marion Woodman. Woodman's Dreams: Language of the Soul is a must when understanding dreams.

Jerry

Age & Gender & Location {Required}: 67 Cocoa, Fl


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